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hello everyone and welcome to the show

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i'm martin willis your host and we have

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an interesting show for you this evening

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first up we have karen breard is going

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to come on she's going to be talking

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about the ufo congress and you'll see

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why in just just a minute there's some

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just a little bit of announcement to

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make so i'll be bringing her in um in

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just a couple of minutes

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also our main guest is don hayden um

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someone

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alerted me to a guy that's kind of like

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in the same profession that i'm in the

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antiques and art world

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yet in when he was out metal detecting

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back in around 1989 1990 somewhere

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around there

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he saw a ufo

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that changed his life he's talked about

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it with family and friends for years

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and then he sees

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david fravor's account for what he

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claims he saw

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and discovered that it was

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identical to what he saw the tic-tac-toe

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thing we're going to be talking about

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that so he'll be on

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just after karen uh this week we have a

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blog that charles lear wrote like always

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and it's ufos and missing soldiers in

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the gulf breeze florida now i never

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heard about the missing soldiers so it

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should be uh that's a fascinating blog

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and check that out

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um and i want to thank everyone that

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helps out with the show and anyone can

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do that all you have to do is go over to

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podcastufo.com you can see our patreon

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page is linked at the top of the

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show i mean at the page and every week

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um we were we're right here live next

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week we're

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going to be

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with both mark d'antonio and ted rowe

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that should be an interesting show the

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first time those two guys are ever going

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to be talking on the same show together

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uh but ted rowe has some very

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interesting news to talk about that

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involves nasa and narcap

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so check that out come next week for

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sure it's going to be a good show for

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now i'm bringing in karen

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hi

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nice to see you

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good to see you too it's been a long

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time it has been way too long i think it

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was at lee spiegel's wedding yes it was

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that was so fun yeah that was the blast

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yes so karen um the ufo congress now

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you've you've owned that for what three

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um 2017 yeah 2017. okay i remember that

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and uh we were all excited uh just all

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ready to buy tickets and i contacted you

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so now i'm going to put it in your lap

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yeah what what a horrible year and a

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half we've had and uh it was just

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getting to the point where the coping

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cases were increasing again and

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people with vaccines weren't even

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i was having a lot of people calling to

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cancel and normally we don't do

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because we've already put out money to

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to um all the different things that we

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but because of covet i really felt i

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can't not give people refunds but and at

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the rate that i was getting refunds

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uh it was like 10 of the people had

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already cancelled so that's

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of the conference i would have not

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enough people there to

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you know have the conference so it was a

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safety and a business decision that i

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had to make um unfortunately but the

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good news is that we can still do it

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and um we still have all our great

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one of them had to decline but um

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you know and for 99

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yeah last year i helped helped out last

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year i didn't need to interrupt you but

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there was a there was a great like um

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i'm trying to remember the service you

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use where people know that

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oh okay but all these people are like

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chatting in the back and they're all

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like a real conference it's called

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hoover um we've done it last year it's a

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very uh dependable platform we had no

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issues last year

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um went very smoothly and yeah once you

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get a ticket you log in to um when the

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conference is

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attendees if they want to upload their

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pictures you can even see what they look

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like um you can talk to them um you can

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make virtual meetups you can make chat

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the speakers when they're up they'll

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you know you'll see it you'll go to the

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schedule to decide what you want to see

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click on that and they'll be right there

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in front of you you can ask questions by

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typing in your question and uh

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it's as close to being at a real

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conference as you can get

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that who do we have for

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speakers this year

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well one of our speakers um is abby loeb

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who a lot of you probably have heard of

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he was the harvard scientist who had a

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about a year ago now i think um and it

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was about umua and how that could

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possibly be an extraterrestrial type

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vehicle or some kind of um technology

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um teaching so um he'll still be a

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virtual speaker but um he was one i was

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really looking forward to he's just a

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pleasant nice

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so that's one um lou elizondo

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banquet speaker and we're still going to

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plan right now uh-huh

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blue's great um he he was on i don't

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know a few months ago and right now he's

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he was at an undisclosed location with

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an undisclosed filmmaker i know that

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best way to put it yeah and uh yeah and

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spain right after our conference but now

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that's iffy because of coven yeah

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portuguese aren't letting us in anymore

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but uh and then who else do we have

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favorites um kathleen martin javon smith

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and do um hypnosis therapy um we have

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you know the field forever and he's also

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a one of your the radio hosts at kgra

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he actually has the footage now

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the un meeting where

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all these people were uh trying to get

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that bill passed so he's actually got

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the rights to that and he's going to

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play some of that video so that should

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be really exciting yeah yeah and marked

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antonio another kgra

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person um some of the women that we have

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field katie grabowski or grabowski i'm

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she's going to be reporting on some of

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ancient aliens was chris pittman i

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thought he was interesting and i

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contacted him and he actually hadn't

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search for him and i was like i wonder

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why i haven't seen him and he agreed to

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do the conference but he has been kind

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of stepped away because of some of the

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really weird uh experiences he's been

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or he had when he was really into the

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field so he's going to talk about those

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they were kind of a scary kind of thing

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luckily he's agreed to talk about that

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with yeah what about uh matthew roberts

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matthew roberts um

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another ex-military person who has some

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really strange things happen to him um

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really good that

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people are um we have like era

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him and also eric mitchell

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who's another person who has these

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strange

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kind of almost skinwalker ranch type

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connected to ufos but also

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very paranormal and unusual um

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things that are happening so i'm glad we

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have all three of these people

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that are going to be able to testify to

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the strange paranormal type things that

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can happen in conjunction with ufos

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right right well it'll be exciting and

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you just have to go and is it

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is it the whole international ufo is it

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just ufocongress.com

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www.ufocongress.com you can see the

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speakers the schedule buy tickets there

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um and we have a lot more speakers and

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we were going to not have it on sunday

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because that gives people time to pack

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up and enjoy the vendor hall and go home

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but since we don't have that we're going

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to open up all day sunday too so we'll

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you're looking for some more speakers

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announced too excellent well karen thank

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you so much it was good to see you

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you're welcome it's good to see you too

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and we'll see you online and just we'll

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see you online in just a few weeks right

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yes

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i know thank you so much okay

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okay take care yeah bye

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all right my guest now is uh don hayden

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and i'm going to be bringing them right

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in but let me just

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say this i mentioned this last week i'm

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going to be over at pine bush

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going to be there and that's coming up

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on september 4th

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saturday i'm getting in the day early

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we're going to go to the museum i think

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there's like an opening or like a tour

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or something like that so that's on

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friday night on the third but if anyone

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wants to go to pine bush

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are you planning to make sure you track

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me down i like i always like listening i

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mean i always like meeting listeners is

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what i'm trying to say so i'd love for

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you to introduce yourself and and hope

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to see you there now here's my guest uh

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don hayden and uh we're going to be

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talking about a very strange encounter

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he had

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um about 30 years ago and

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um a lot of similarities well i'll just

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let him talk about it here he is don

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welcome to the show thanks for having me

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on thank you for having me i i thought

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it was kind of interesting i thought it

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was a actually thought it was a joke

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when someone said hey there's

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someone that has a tic tac

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ufo experience that's also an antique

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like auction guy

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and i said no no that's got to be a joke

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but anyway

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i listened to your video and i was kind

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of blown away um by a number of things

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you said not just how you described what

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you saw but other things too

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so uh but anyway for the person who's uh

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you're not in the ufo world matter of

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fact this is really outside of doing

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your own

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uh podcast or i'm sorry live stream or

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recording whatever you did

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about this this is really the first time

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and that you have ever spoken about this

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in this type of venue yes definitely so

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definitely so

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and i was glad that you only did it

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because i'm an antique guy

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that's that's honestly the truth i

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looked in i'm if somebody contacts me i

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got 1500 videos up on youtube i got

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another 300 on on patreon maybe almost

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400. i i don't do much with other people

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unless i'm researching them and stuff

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like that

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when somebody reaches out to me that's

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the first thing i do and

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and uh again the antique i guess drew it

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you know i'm uh whether i'm on youtube

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or not i'm a pretty

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um business oriented and that's pretty

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much all i do i don't

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have a ton of friends that i go hang out

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with and we don't go we're usually into

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business and that's

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most of my time

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yep no i get that this is i've always

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said this about the business of of

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antiques and auctions

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that

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you give to it

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i mean you can you can spend i mean i

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have a really close friend

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um in the auction business is very

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successful but i mean he just goes

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you know maybe 14 hours a day every day

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you know he doesn't stop that's that's

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me yeah yeah and he's lifting

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furniture in his 60s you know he's he's

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carrying and you know i mean he never

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stops never stops i don't regret it

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because it's kind of addictive it's so

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much fun i mean i i still love what i do

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you know um yeah and now and i i promise

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the listener out there or the person

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watching on

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uh video that we're not going to talk

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about antiques i'm just touching on it

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right now but um

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it's really nice when you have

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a career that you love and i love what i

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do it's i love exploring the history of

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things and

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and the stories and the connections with

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people that these objects have and and

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we're all just uh babysitting objects

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for the time we're here and passing them

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on and it's it's pretty fascinating to

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see what the lives are of these pieces

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that kind of go through our lives

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and um and i'm not i you know i

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i'm not a type of person that i get all

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excited about something value i get more

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excited about something rare history

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yeah the history of it yeah and i was

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lucky enough i never really talked about

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this but i was lucky enough to

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handle um abraham lincoln's second to

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last letter

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that he wrote on his knee in the white

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house lobby just

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like an hour before he left for the

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theater

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that night so it was passed down in a

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family in new hampshire i just happened

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to

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be at the right place at the right time

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so it's always it's a really fun

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business and uh the connections and

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everything to the objects is quite

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amazing but let's hear what happened to

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you

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well i've been a metal detector for

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geez

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since probably 85 or so uh we had run up

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and down it was winters i don't i didn't

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mentally tech in florida in the summer

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it's just way way way too hot

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and we were um heading back up towards

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the saint marks or anybody who met a

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texan i think i saw somebody who said

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they metal detect

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i've always looked for um hand hammer

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coins that's what i always wanted that

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that was like the one thing

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that scarces can be so we

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picked out a place near saint mark's in

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florida which is a very old

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spanish area colonial old trails and and

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old uh stagecoach paths and walking

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paths up there and we had metal detected

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at a place a couple other times we

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it's a three hour drive from where we

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were at so i think we got up there

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around three and we were going to dig

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and we were mentally technical through

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an area out in a scrub brush area we had

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parked

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um

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i wish i would have drawn a picture of

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it but there there we parked down a

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little tiny road that was half overgrown

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it's uh just

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south um

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[Music]

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i would say southwest of saint mark's by

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about six or seven miles there was a

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like a small fort site and we had just

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been mentally tucked in we had metal

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detected pretty much throughout the day

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we stopped and ate it was getting

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towards the dark so we were

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making our way back to the car there was

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a little trail through the woods there's

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a bunch of woods the woods break down

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into like a scrub brush anybody who's

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been in florida probably knows what a

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scrub brush is but it's like little tiny

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uh

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miniature palm trees it almost looks

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like they're they're all over in some

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areas you can't metal detect there so

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you stick to where they cleared and we

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were coming back down me and a friend of

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mine that somebody i'd known he lived

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next door to me he's the one who

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actually introduced me to mel detecting

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in florida

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and um i got his signal it was dark out

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it just turned dark maybe 10-15 minutes

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ago we tried to time it so we hit back

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to the vehicle you know just that dark

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we didn't want to miss any time

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again it's a six hour round trip so we

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wanted to get as much metal detecting as

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we could i had gotten uh leaned down we

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were just almost out of the woods to

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where the field was again and the field

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was

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i don't know three four hundred feet

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across this way and a lot wider this way

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maybe a thousand feet i don't it was it

482
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was a decent sized field with like maybe

483
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a foot tall like rye grass or something

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i don't know what it would be called

485
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maybe weed or something but

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we had just gotten towards the edge i

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totally went paying attention to what he

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was doing i got a signal and it was a

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good one it was a solid beep sounding

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like you know a coin or maybe a button

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which obviously is something you'd want

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to find and i was digging it up

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and he came up to me and tapped me on my

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shoulder and i looked and i really

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didn't pay much attention and then he

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did it again and i said what what what

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come on i was literally aggravated

498
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because you know it's the last of the

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day we didn't have anything really good

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that we had found and i was hoping open

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open

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and uh next time he tapped it's pointing

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up and all i said was look and i i

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literally looked i stood up and just

505
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dropped everything i had and for the

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next

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maybe two or three minutes again i don't

508
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have a watch i wasn't paying attention

509
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the time but next two or three minutes i

510
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just watched this

511
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orb bouncing around

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in the same little pattern back and

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forth and back and forth

514
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it wasn't

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there was no sound we were out in the

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middle of nowhere there was no sound at

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all and that's why we were a puzzler i

518
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was puzzled i should say and

519
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as it bounced around it

520
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i can't say bounced i don't know what

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you'd even call it

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skipped skipped across like you're

523
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skipping a stone or something

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um i related it back then to a a

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i i guess you'd call it a wind tunnel or

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a parachute tunnel or something like

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that we saw up in canada back in the 80s

528
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or 90s

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it was like locked in a spot it was

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almost like it couldn't go past

531
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a spot on either side um

532
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distance wise i've been asked this

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before

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i have to guess maybe a mile or less

535
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away from us it was pretty much almost

536
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straight in front of us to my left would

537
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have been where the gulf was to the

538
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right was the main highway heading up

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towards i-10

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it's pretty far up north of uh saint

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mark's it's up up by heading like you're

542
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heading up towards uh what else will be

543
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up that way

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it's it's

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right

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is it the panhandle

547
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it's it's right up towards the panhandle

548
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it's not in the piano i think lake city

549
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was

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maybe

551
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something like that it's been a long

552
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time i lived in florida for 10 years but

553
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at that point you know we just stopped

554
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and we were staring at it for for a

555
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:08,159
couple of minutes because it was just it

556
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,679
was the weirdest thing i had ever seen

557
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:11,440
and i thought well at first you know

558
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,720
helicopter you know what are you what

559
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,200
are you wasting my time but within like

560
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:17,039
two or three seconds of staring after

561
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,400
you know he finally got my attention

562
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,720
with it it wasn't moving right there was

563
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,320
no sound you would have heard a

564
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,240
helicopter at that distance i can't

565
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,640
imagine any way you couldn't of you know

566
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:28,240
and it was really quiet i mean you could

567
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,679
still hear the crickets and all the all

568
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,440
the birds and everything else was still

569
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:33,600
out there there was still wrestling in

570
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:36,559
the in the uh brush and the trees around

571
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:37,440
me

572
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:39,919
and after watching it for a few minutes

573
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,320
it got bigger for just a second

574
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,880
bigger we don't know if it turned or it

575
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:46,960
did come a little closer but then within

576
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,919
just a few more seconds it was right up

577
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:52,320
in front of us i mean it was like boom

578
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,440
and

579
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,679
at that point i was totally like weirded

580
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,039
out because

581
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,799
we didn't well i keep saying weeks i

582
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,720
don't know exactly his expression and

583
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,720
what he personally saw on that but

584
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,520
i couldn't see it move i didn't see it

585
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,760
move it was just this ball bouncing

586
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,520
around and then all of a sudden it's

587
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,600
right there in front of me so i don't

588
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:12,960
know if it

589
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,480
moved or if it just was there again that

590
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,000
sounds weird but

591
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:20,000
that that's that's my my techniques i

592
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,360
don't know what it did i didn't see it

593
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,520
if it moved it moved so

594
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,400
so fast that i can't even comprehend

595
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,320
the fact that it was that far away with

596
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,640
this ball bouncing around

597
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:32,799
versus this thing that's

598
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,320
you know right up here and it was it was

599
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,799
it was really surprising and then

600
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,480
you kind of notice what's going on after

601
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,480
it's been here for a few seconds

602
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,480
there's no noise i mean it was almost

603
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,840
like the wind even stopped there was

604
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,440
nothing it was nothing at all all i

605
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:50,240
could do was hear you know silence dead

606
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,080
silence in there as i looked at no

607
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,240
insects right nothing there there was no

608
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,640
sound in the only other time i can say

609
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,480
i've ever heard something like that

610
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,320
if you're out in the the out in the

611
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:01,840
country we lived on a farm at one point

612
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,320
in in hickory mississippi

613
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,400
the lightning strikes out there you hear

614
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,480
the crickets and everything's dead and

615
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,240
then slowly you hear the crickets come

616
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,520
back up i don't know if you know what

617
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,440
i'm talking about but yeah the minute

618
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,360
before the cricket started you start

619
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,600
coming back in it was that dead silent

620
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,200
it was like an instant like somebody

621
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:21,840
flipped a switch is is what it was like

622
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:24,400
is one minute everything's fine and in

623
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:25,760
the next minute there's something right

624
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,559
there then every single thing

625
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:30,000
it was nothing that that i think that

626
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,190
it was

627
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,120
i don't want to say out of this world

628
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,720
because i i don't

629
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,880
i don't know what it was but it it it

630
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,120
didn't it defied my

631
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,039
my understanding of what should happen

632
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,159
if something's flying above me it wasn't

633
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,840
i mean i've seen the shuttle i've seen

634
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,000
all kinds of stuff happen and i can i've

635
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,640
been on planes hundreds of times as a

636
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,080
regional and and

637
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:58,240
it it defied logic

638
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,440
to what it did

639
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,600
yeah and we watched it for

640
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,919
15 20 maybe 25 seconds i mean the whole

641
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,240
thing was four minutes or less no

642
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:08,159
exaggeration in time-wise

643
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:09,440
and

644
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,039
turn

645
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,280
it angled just a hair where it was kind

646
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,919
of like cock-eyed and then a second

647
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,080
later it was gone i mean it was just it

648
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,080
was like i blinked and it was gone it

649
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,840
was just like um

650
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,360
it was never there almost it was the

651
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:27,919
weirdest thing i don't know if after

652
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,720
that

653
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,480
the bugs or anything because i i was

654
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,919
totally

655
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,919
you know nothing else was on my mind

656
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,919
let's let's go we've had enough you know

657
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,120
let's get out of here and that was

658
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,880
pretty much all we said

659
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,480
you know we walked straight to the car

660
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:42,480
no more metal detecting nothing we had

661
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,840
time i was done i don't know

662
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,880
it's a little hard to explain the

663
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,640
feeling because i've never experienced

664
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,400
anything weird there was never anything

665
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:52,320
like that i wasn't you know it's not

666
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,600
never anything that i thought i would

667
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,000
ever even want to experience you know

668
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,720
i'm not looking for it i wasn't a ufo

669
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,559
guy in any way shape or form we were

670
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,600
metal detecting i was gung-ho on finding

671
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:05,200
you know a hand-hammered or something

672
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,400
really good and

673
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,600
you know it totally changed my whole

674
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,919
thought for quite some time on it

675
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,679
you know that that was the experience

676
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,240
that was the whole thing there that

677
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,360
that was it yeah but let's describe

678
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:20,559
what you saw

679
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:23,679
and why you decided to talk about it

680
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,440
well with with the 2017 coming out

681
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,000
the object was literally

682
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,919
to the t the the same description now

683
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,440
let me let me step back for a second

684
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:34,799
here

685
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,520
bottom and i've had questions about that

686
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,240
what i saw when i first saw in front of

687
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,320
us right up on top of us i can't say

688
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,400
there was anything under it i can't say

689
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,720
at all i don't know because i was just

690
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,520
so fixated on a solid object

691
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:53,120
that close

692
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,919
that

693
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:54,880
it was

694
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,279
50 feet in front of us and about 125

695
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,880
maybe 150 feet uh above above the ground

696
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,720
and i could say that fairly accurately

697
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,320
because there was trees there was three

698
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,720
trees one real big tree and then two

699
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,240
other little trees out in the center of

700
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,919
the field there was taller grass around

701
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,760
there like they never plowed it at one

702
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,919
point there was a deer stand out there

703
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,360
it may even have been out there that day

704
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,799
i don't know there's a deer hunter there

705
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,760
was even

706
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,000
tracks where we were walking looked like

707
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,760
somebody had at some point been going

708
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,279
through there with four wheelers left

709
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,200
and right at some time i don't know what

710
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,880
hunting season is so maybe it was still

711
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,799
hunting season i have no clue on that i

712
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,039
don't not a hunter never been hunting in

713
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,880
my life nothing wrong with it my my

714
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:34,960
father-in-law's hunted his whole life so

715
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,600
i've eaten venison from them and all but

716
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,080
you know it it

717
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:42,799
the the the fact that something was just

718
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,840
sitting there in the sky

719
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,360
i was locked there was nothing else

720
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,039
going on in my world other than what we

721
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,279
were looking at nothing nothing no i

722
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,720
don't think even if he was yelling i

723
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:53,919
would have probably heard it at that

724
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,480
point because i was so fixated on on

725
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,159
on the experience of this thing just

726
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,480
sitting there you know and

727
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,640
i don't know anything that can

728
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,200
freeze in mid-air like that it wasn't

729
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,039
wavering from where it was at it was

730
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,400
just in one single spot no movement back

731
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,240
and forth left and right or nothing and

732
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:15,760
i can say that without a doubt because

733
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,159
that tree was there you know

734
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,840
it was like

735
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,840
there's no way i can i can explain it

736
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,440
with anything natural that i've ever

737
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,760
seen in my life there's no way to say

738
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,080
that something could do that and freeze

739
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,840
in mid air

740
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,159
that it was just there i mean i don't

741
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,600
know how to

742
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,679
how to voice it enough because there's

743
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,480
no explanation to say what would do that

744
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,640
in my mind and again i we've i've seen

745
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,240
this shuttle take off from the three

746
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,400
mile mark we've seen them explode a

747
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,640
rocket that was off course i've seen

748
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,080
you know the blue angels we've been to

749
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,919
the air shows you know back in meridian

750
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,200
they used to have a real nice air show

751
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,200
in reading mississippi and

752
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,760
you know i i have no

753
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,279
nobody has ever shown me anything that

754
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,960
could explain it

755
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,640
nothing other than

756
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:02,720
uh i don't i hate i'm bad at names

757
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,919
forever doctor david david fraber david

758
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,240
i'm sorry david fraber the only thing

759
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,960
that matched or even came

760
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,720
that rocked me out of my world was the

761
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,640
explanation and now when i first heard

762
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,400
the explanation of the the tic tac i

763
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,720
never related it to tic tac i never even

764
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,320
i think saw a ticked i know they might

765
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,679
sound weird but i'm not a big candy

766
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,240
person and then he talked about the the

767
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,840
propane tank and again i never thought

768
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,279
about a propane tank at that point i

769
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:28,559
don't think i've ever seen a propane

770
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,520
tank

771
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,600
those big ones those are like country

772
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:33,600
things but

773
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,880
you know what i mean

774
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:37,360
yeah and i'm used to the smiles but that

775
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:38,480
fit

776
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,320
so much i mean to to the t on everything

777
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,799
i saw

778
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,039
again that pretty much changed my my

779
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,120
opinion on on

780
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,039
talking about it um

781
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,679
a year and a half ago i actually uh

782
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,360
mentioned it on a live stream on one of

783
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,919
my live streams and ever since then it

784
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:59,279
may have been a little farther back than

785
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,480
that i don't i don't know it's been a

786
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,399
long time and and i promised my

787
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:04,559
subscribers i would i would talk about

788
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,919
it and i didn't really want to put it

789
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,360
all out there because i know all the

790
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,200
ridicule and stuff a lot of people get

791
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,360
from that and i've heard stories and and

792
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,720
stuff and

793
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,399
you know my history on it we've been

794
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,000
attacked on youtube so i'm always

795
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,000
cautious on stuff like that

796
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,320
after they bugged me not bug i to

797
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:22,080
apologize if anybody's watching who

798
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,520
who's part of the reason i put that out

799
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,960
there but

800
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,559
i i did the video a year and a half

801
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,399
after i did and i i pretty much just did

802
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,159
it on the spur the moment just to get it

803
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,840
out there um

804
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,919
again i'm not i'm not a ufo person at

805
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,080
all i'm not one to

806
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,320
to put stuff out like that i i do i'm

807
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,320
very much tied to business if anybody

808
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,720
sees my my videos on what i actually do

809
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,600
for a living you know i'm i'm very much

810
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,440
out there and i didn't want to

811
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,840
the video i put up to about this i put

812
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,240
up on my small channel i only had 5 000

813
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:54,080
i've got 10 times that on my normal

814
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,960
channel

815
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,679
um i was just doing it for subscribers i

816
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,520
guess because i gave my word i would put

817
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:01,120
it out there and i guess that's

818
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,559
that's why i feel a little more

819
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,799
comfortable these days with the the

820
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,039
government report coming out extremely

821
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,640
disappointed we didn't get to see the

822
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,960
real stuff which i'm sure they have but

823
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,279
um you know how that goes that that's

824
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,679
supposed to be the preliminary report

825
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,360
and nobody talks about that they act

826
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,039
like that's the only report we'll ever

827
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,000
see that's possible but it was called

828
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,799
the preliminary report now you made a

829
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,640
model and i want to i want to show the

830
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,919
model because

831
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:29,200
people are going to kind of flip out

832
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,720
when they see it

833
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:32,480
look at that

834
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:36,559
and they were just just

835
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:38,840
very much like david fraver

836
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,240
described um

837
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,440
did a three-dimensional no on on these

838
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,039
as i said i don't

839
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,200
i thought they were landing feet that's

840
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,200
what i thought because of the way it

841
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,799
just sat there i i can't say they were

842
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,159
there originally so i don't know if

843
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,559
these are always there it was as strange

844
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,320
as that sound there was no

845
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,120
there's no holes there's no seams

846
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,880
nothing there's there's nothing i mean a

847
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,200
propane tank i had to look at look at

848
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,120
one actually to see i wouldn't say a

849
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,080
propane tank but it's

850
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,919
everything else i've ever seen has a

851
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,960
seam

852
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,320
has a

853
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,679
a rivet

854
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,320
unless you even if you you 3d print

855
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,320
something i guess you'd still have some

856
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,760
point where it's not going to be

857
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,440
perfectly smooth i mean maybe i don't

858
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,960
know i don't i'm not a big person on all

859
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,559
that kind of stuff but

860
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,679
to me

861
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:32,159
unless it was made in one solid piece

862
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,440
which i don't know how you'd ever get

863
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,600
anything inside of it there was nothing

864
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,399
it was just a closed structure

865
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:40,880
solid again somebody what about excuse

866
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,669
it the the best explanation i can say

867
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,039
and i've thought about it for a long

868
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,120
time is it that

869
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,120
the object itself appeared like it was

870
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,799
in broad daylight even though it was

871
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,880
night out every it was it was almost

872
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,279
like enough glow was reflecting off of

873
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,679
it to make a

874
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,760
lit up around it i i should say i i

875
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,600
don't know i must have like a glow

876
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,000
around it

877
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,679
it it had a

878
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,919
not a halo but

879
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,080
like kind of surrounded with light like

880
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:16,320
a bubble of light not a bubble per se

881
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:17,120
but

882
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,240
it was like as bright as the the

883
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,080
moon i guess you could say at the time

884
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,679
the moon wasn't out like a full moon or

885
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,080
anything so but it was it was bright it

886
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,320
it was illuminated somehow that's that's

887
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,399
what i could say but it reminded me of

888
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,080
what you might see in the daylight but

889
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,840
it was it was

890
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,440
it was daylight and the rest of it

891
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:39,039
wasn't as strange as that sounds i don't

892
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,080
i don't know how to explain it because

893
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,000
there was no there was no source of

894
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,840
light but it was lit

895
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,640
you know

896
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,320
brett wants to know when did you

897
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,159
construct your model

898
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,720
uh probably seven years ago but i can

899
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,480
say that for a relative again i can't

900
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,240
prove any of that but i can say that

901
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,720
fairly well because it's been in a box

902
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,880
since we moved here and again i've got

903
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,799
hundreds of models that i do so it was

904
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:02,320
thrown in a box with a whole bunch of

905
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,360
other stuff

906
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,039
so what inspired you to all of a sudden

907
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:06,480
make that model were you just thinking

908
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,799
about it one day yeah i do my i do i i

909
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,880
one day i decided to do a trilobite so i

910
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,039
did a trilobite i mean i do

911
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:17,679
this is resin cast i carved it out of um

912
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,799
uh

913
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,640
shoot um

914
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,120
chavant clay which is what they used to

915
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,279
do like maquettes and stuff at disney i

916
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,519
i i've messed with that stuff i worked

917
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,519
at disney for a while so that's what i

918
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,960
did with that um

919
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,640
i make models all the time i probably

920
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,559
made three or four that very same day i

921
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,120
did that one too and it's sat in a box

922
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,279
with everything else i've got probably

923
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,760
100 boxes that haven't been unpacked in

924
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,200
seven years probably

925
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,039
merchandise stuff that i don't know what

926
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,760
to do with or you know family stuff that

927
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,080
we keep we're a business and all of my

928
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,559
efforts go usually into that so

929
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:54,000
i didn't pull it out

930
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,440
people were asking why did you show the

931
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,200
first video the first video i turned on

932
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,360
the camera and i started talking i don't

933
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,360
plan everything that i do

934
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:03,440
again if i wanted to to plan it i would

935
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,720
have done a huge thing and i would have

936
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,120
put it on my channel with almost 60 000

937
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:08,960
views instead of putting it on my 5 000

938
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,760
view channel i did it to satisfy

939
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,519
a statement i made that i would put it

940
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,440
out there for my subscribers i never

941
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:17,120
thought it would get to anything big it

942
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,640
was just to

943
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,200
put it out there i mean that was it like

944
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,399
38 000 people found it yeah but again i

945
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,240
i that channel i mean i don't have many

946
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,679
views on that channel it wasn't like

947
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,600
planned i figured it would just go to

948
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,679
the people that been asking me for a

949
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,960
year and a half

950
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:35,360
about the experience and

951
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:36,320
you know i almost thought i shouldn't

952
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,600
have said anything but i spilled the

953
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,760
beans on a live show once and you know

954
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,320
i'm i'm not opened on certain personal

955
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,320
aspects of my life online i'm mostly

956
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:46,399
business and i keep it that way usually

957
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,120
and

958
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,200
you know you get to the questions like

959
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,480
you know what's the weirdest thing you

960
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,480
ever had happen and that's usually what

961
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,559
comes up you know it's been a bar story

962
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,799
i've told people you know we used to go

963
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,480
to a place called sports town billiards

964
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,559
on orange i think it's not orange in in

965
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,399
orlando area and i don't know how many

966
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,399
times we'd play pool and that story came

967
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,320
up you know yeah

968
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,639
a lot of people say that and um i've had

969
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,639
people ask me the same question

970
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,720
um you know for years and i'll either

971
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,119
tell them that or i had this weird

972
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,960
i don't want to call it a ghost but

973
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:19,280
something happened in a place and i tell

974
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,560
i'll tell those stories but i know

975
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,599
exactly what you mean so um there is a

976
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,919
question from richard c so you didn't

977
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,839
see the appendages at first but you saw

978
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,720
them

979
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:30,879
it turned

980
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,320
so it was above you and you couldn't see

981
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,079
them and as soon as it turned they might

982
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,760
have been there i i can't say but they

983
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,000
were the exact same color as far as i

984
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,320
could see as the item itself so i don't

985
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,320
you know i didn't see it until it turned

986
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,639
because it cast i could see through the

987
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,639
i could see through these little things

988
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,399
the only reason i think i even saw it

989
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,159
they may not even have been there before

990
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,159
i don't know that's the only reason i

991
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,679
thought that they might have been feet

992
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,200
and it was going to land or something oh

993
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,599
they might have popped out or something

994
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,960
they may have popped out or something

995
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,480
you thought i don't know i i didn't see

996
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,640
it happen if it did i i was totally

997
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,680
fixated on this 25 plus foot thing

998
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,240
sitting up above us with with no nothing

999
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,320
just sitting there you know it was like

1000
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,880
it was locked in the position it was it

1001
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,119
it defied my

1002
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,520
my logic and i'm a fairly logic person i

1003
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,599
mean i i've spent you know six years in

1004
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,359
college earning a master's in research

1005
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,760
and communication i i got to have facts

1006
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,320
for everything i got to see it and to me

1007
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:30,800
it it it defied anything that was

1008
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,560
logical in my my thoughts it totally

1009
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:37,280
i i i was i was i was i was stumpified i

1010
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,640
didn't know what to say i was just

1011
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,800
totally like lost for a minute there

1012
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,320
other than let's get out of here at this

1013
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,800
point because i felt uncomfortable

1014
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,880
you know i wasn't like scared i should

1015
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,200
say but i felt really uncomfortable

1016
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,079
because it felt like i was being watched

1017
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,400
it felt like somebody was eyeballing me

1018
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,079
from behind even though i'm looking at

1019
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,920
it that's what it felt like like you

1020
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:59,599
know what else is out here you know

1021
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,320
because we're out in the middle of

1022
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:02,240
nowhere it wasn't like i was

1023
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,440
you know out in the middle of a city

1024
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,480
street or something we're out in the

1025
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,920
middle of nowhere we've ran into

1026
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,839
alligators out in the woods and stuff so

1027
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,119
you know

1028
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,200
you you you never know what to expect

1029
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,960
but that that was beyond it i'd rather

1030
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,119
run into alligators you know at least i

1031
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,800
i feel a little more comfortable i know

1032
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,560
how fast they can run and

1033
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,480
walk slow and don't call to attention

1034
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,000
you know that kind of thing

1035
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,839
and you have a really you had or i don't

1036
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,359
know if you still have it but i know you

1037
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,200
told me you had a really good metal

1038
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,800
detector i don't know what the brand

1039
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,440
i've got to tesoro gold and saber too

1040
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,760
yeah and so but you just like dropped it

1041
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:36,000
and the headphones popped off your ears

1042
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:36,640
and

1043
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,520
i the cords you always damage the cord

1044
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,440
so i'm always very careful i usually

1045
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,440
wrapped it around the handle there's a

1046
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,800
bend in the handle and i usually wrapped

1047
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,640
it around the bend where the grip is and

1048
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,400
i let it go it pulled the cord out and

1049
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,160
everything and that was you know i

1050
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,920
didn't even care it didn't i totally

1051
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,680
forgot what we were doing all i cared

1052
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,800
about was

1053
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,640
what's going on as i'm looking up at

1054
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,640
this thing and i didn't even look at my

1055
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,400
friend i'm sure he was doing the exact

1056
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,720
same thing my eyes were locked there was

1057
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,400
nothing else in my world other than what

1058
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,720
was bouncing around and moved up in

1059
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,480
front of me that was that was

1060
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,480
that was just the only thing going on at

1061
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:16,640
that time i you know what i mean it was

1062
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,520
it was

1063
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,200
i don't want to say earth shattering but

1064
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,720
it was

1065
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,880
it really changed my view on on what

1066
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,720
would be possible i guess

1067
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,079
yeah i would i would say earth

1068
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,240
shattering if i was gonna well describe

1069
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,400
it but um but here's a question b i'm

1070
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,000
only putting this up because uh several

1071
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,720
people are asking and this this seems to

1072
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,480
happen when people have encounters like

1073
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,560
this did you happen to notice

1074
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,680
um any

1075
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,920
missing time like you thought well i

1076
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,280
thought it was three o'clock and but

1077
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,720
it's actually five or anything like that

1078
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,400
no i would say that that wouldn't be

1079
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,680
possible at all

1080
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,880
um

1081
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,040
probably was dark at 8 30 nine o'clock

1082
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,480
we probably been up there five or six

1083
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,880
hours we were home

1084
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,400
probably around midnight so i can't

1085
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,000
imagine where time would have went

1086
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,000
otherwise i mean it's i've been asked

1087
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,000
that too and i i've never

1088
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,079
no i could say no and unless i don't

1089
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,599
know it but i can't imagine that being

1090
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:08,000
the case i mean i never wore watches

1091
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,760
back and then it was you couldn't read

1092
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,040
them i didn't have any way to read it

1093
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,200
back you know so why wear them you know

1094
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,359
and plus you get them dirty my wife gave

1095
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,359
me a nice um

1096
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,720
i can't remember the brand anymore it's

1097
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,480
been since trash but she gave me a watch

1098
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,160
and i would never wear that out to dig

1099
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,160
up you know usually got gloves on and

1100
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,599
the whole works you might get glass in

1101
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,920
your hand if you don't you know oh yeah

1102
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,880
yeah um i just want to give a shout out

1103
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:32,960
to um

1104
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,599
basement podcast with bob and chad i was

1105
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,160
on there last week and anyone can find

1106
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:40,560
that like on oh i think it's on

1107
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,359
any podcast app out there real fun guys

1108
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,480
anyway

1109
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,400
they i really had a good time

1110
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,079
with them so if you want to check out

1111
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:50,960
that show look up uh the basement

1112
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:54,160
hangout podcast uh that was last week

1113
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:55,200
but um

1114
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:55,920
so

1115
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,720
when this happened you mentioned

1116
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,400
that your friend that you're with you

1117
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,240
weren't really talking about it as it

1118
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,960
was happening what about the ride home

1119
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,119
we listened to the radio i i think about

1120
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,720
the only words we said was that was

1121
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,800
pretty weird and that was about it

1122
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,960
i mean that is so common i i have to

1123
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,200
tell you that's one of the it seems like

1124
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:16,960
a commonality i guess i would call it

1125
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,520
that um when people have sightings

1126
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,920
together i could tell you so many

1127
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,400
stories that it's exactly the same thing

1128
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,079
that happened i mean the allegations in

1129
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,560
it up in maine um there was there's

1130
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,079
there's so many even a friend of mine

1131
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,640
who's an antique dealer auctioneer that

1132
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,720
had a sighting with his friends that was

1133
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,920
right over their head as they were

1134
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,079
walking along when he was a teenager

1135
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,680
they never talk about it

1136
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,800
what about

1137
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,480
when i i know you mentioned that you're

1138
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,640
not you haven't really been in touch

1139
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:46,320
uh too much with your friend over the

1140
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,440
years but

1141
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,520
was he out there talking about the story

1142
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,440
i know you talked about it with your

1143
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,160
friends and family all these years

1144
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,920
my wife worked with his wife and i

1145
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:58,000
worked in the same complex at disney

1146
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,520
back in those days

1147
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,480
so i mean the wife talked about it um

1148
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,079
what was he doing about i don't remember

1149
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,599
what he was even doing as a living back

1150
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,520
then i think he was an antique steeler

1151
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,400
he was heavy into military and uh one of

1152
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,960
his friends was even like uh he did um

1153
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,040
like daguerre of modern-day uh

1154
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,720
daguerreotypes and ambro types and

1155
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,000
things like that

1156
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,400
um i i know he told people too for for

1157
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,400
fact you know without a doubt because i

1158
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,839
heard it back from somebody else who

1159
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,760
would talk to him and wanted to hear my

1160
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,359
side of the story if he was telling the

1161
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,520
truth and you know i literally told him

1162
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,440
the story from start to finish which was

1163
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:33,839
apparently the same thing as his too i

1164
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,839
mean again we talked about it

1165
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,520
maybe three times after that on the way

1166
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:41,760
in the car i was totally

1167
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,119
lost in deep thought on trying to

1168
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,960
rationalize what i saw i guess you would

1169
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,960
say because i didn't

1170
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,319
i don't know i don't know what you'd say

1171
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:52,079
about it i didn't you know and somebody

1172
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,359
said well why didn't you report i don't

1173
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,359
know who you'd report that to i would be

1174
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,160
nervous to tell a police officer hey

1175
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,319
you know we saw this thing out there in

1176
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,920
the middle of the woods that you know

1177
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:04,319
made no sound and

1178
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,359
the animals stopped i mean i had i mean

1179
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,680
i don't know that's that's my experience

1180
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,520
was i i called the police department

1181
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,079
when i was in carmel valley

1182
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,000
and well i actually called the monterey

1183
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,000
police department because that object

1184
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,599
was heading that way

1185
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,400
and i had a sarcastic woman on the other

1186
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,000
end of the line that put me on hold

1187
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,839
forever so i didn't know who to call

1188
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:28,000
either back of this was 2007 i had no

1189
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:28,880
idea

1190
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,680
that there was even anything online

1191
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,680
that you could report to that actually

1192
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,720
is there

1193
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,960
one of the things you mentioned is about

1194
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,960
which i think would freak me out the

1195
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,000
most

1196
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,119
is about the silence of the insects

1197
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,359
animals and all that happening at once

1198
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,000
um we had someone on the show maybe two

1199
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:50,720
years ago that talked about a military

1200
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,680
um

1201
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,079
sighting had somewhere in florida

1202
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,319
where he said he was right near

1203
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,960
of the everglades and it was extremely

1204
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,720
loud your ears almost rang with all the

1205
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,480
insect noises yeah the butt yeah they

1206
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,960
they yeah i've been down that way i know

1207
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,640
and all of a sudden

1208
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,599
everything went dead quiet when the

1209
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,319
object came over him and the dogs were

1210
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,400
trying to hide they had they had uh

1211
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,920
german shepherds

1212
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:17,200
all in their pens and they were all

1213
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:18,400
trying to hide

1214
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:21,839
and uh but there's there's many stories

1215
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,800
of the exact same thing like completely

1216
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,960
dead silence

1217
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:28,800
for instance i don't know if you saw the

1218
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,280
berkshires ufos on ufo encounter on uh

1219
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,680
unsolved mysteries last year but i don't

1220
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,440
watch any tv or anything else like that

1221
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,560
oh yeah you you work i know i know yeah

1222
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,480
i have i have vision issues so my time

1223
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,240
is limited to what i can actually see

1224
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:46,400
and stuff i oh yeah

1225
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,280
so

1226
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,760
but anyway in that particular

1227
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,599
um episode

1228
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,960
they talk about

1229
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,040
it seemed seemed like they were under

1230
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,119
water that's what happened to the sound

1231
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,640
the sound just seemed like you were

1232
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,400
under water all of a sudden

1233
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,160
um with all the insects and everything

1234
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,800
so that's not an uncommon thing at all

1235
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,960
the other not the other thing i already

1236
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,200
mentioned was you know not to talk about

1237
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,240
it with the person you had the

1238
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,480
experience with um

1239
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,880
you know a really good thing to have

1240
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,880
done that a lot of people never think of

1241
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,480
but i just say this to anyone out there

1242
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:20,160
that might be listening who may have a

1243
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,040
sighting

1244
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,800
is immediately

1245
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,560
separate from

1246
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,400
the person you had the encounter with

1247
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,800
and draw what you saw

1248
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,359
that's uh i learned that from a ufo

1249
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:33,839
researcher in switzerland

1250
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,319
class fund but that's a

1251
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,880
you just have no way to pollute what you

1252
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,640
saw when you just separate yourselves

1253
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:43,040
and and

1254
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:44,079
this was

1255
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,960
shape you know what i mean it would be

1256
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,800
hard pressed to come up with any other

1257
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,560
description of it other than

1258
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,520
than a big white oblong two basically

1259
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:57,280
because that's that's all it was there

1260
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,000
was

1261
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,079
no defining marks you know other than

1262
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,599
the things on the bottom again i really

1263
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,520
thought they were they were feet for a

1264
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,800
minute there and i don't know what i

1265
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,720
would have done if it landed there was i

1266
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,480
think the other step and part of the

1267
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,319
reason we just i just wanted to go i was

1268
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,640
done you know once it was gone and i i

1269
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,800
wasn't like locked staring at it where i

1270
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:16,240
couldn't get anything else out of my you

1271
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,280
know that was the only thing in my head

1272
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,359
it was the only thing going on was

1273
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,960
what's what's what's this doing i mean

1274
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,560
that's that's all i could think of and

1275
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,160
you know let's get out of here was the

1276
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,359
only thing i could think of after it was

1277
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,119
gone because i felt

1278
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,520
pardon me go ahead no

1279
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,119
you're gonna say did i feel threatened

1280
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,280
yeah

1281
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,560
no i would say no i was more

1282
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,960
i felt like somebody was looking over my

1283
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,280
shoulder was like the the like i'm being

1284
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,680
watched like someone was eyeballing me i

1285
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,280
guess you know there was some movie are

1286
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,280
you eyeballing me boy and that's that's

1287
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,440
what it felt like i guess more than

1288
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,560
anything else it was like a

1289
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,839
i don't know it

1290
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,000
it's i can't explain it it was it was a

1291
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:57,920
weird weird experience i've never felt

1292
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,800
or or felt that weird or odd about

1293
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,960
anything else before or after i don't

1294
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,960
have any way to

1295
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,280
i wasn't scared so much or anything else

1296
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,520
like that i was

1297
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,440
maybe intimidated i don't know i don't

1298
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,119
know what what would be the correct term

1299
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:14,640
for that um

1300
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:17,359
i'm very apprehensive i wasn't i didn't

1301
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,480
want to be there anymore i'll put it

1302
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:21,200
that way i wasn't necessarily

1303
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,560
i didn't want to see what happened next

1304
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,119
if it landed or you know we were in the

1305
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,280
wrong place at the wrong time or

1306
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,440
anything else i i already blew off any

1307
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,119
option that was some government vehicle

1308
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,839
in my mind because there's no way

1309
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:35,440
my father is in the military you know i

1310
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,200
i i've seen helicopters and i've been in

1311
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,880
in that kind of stuff and i've been on

1312
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:42,960
bases and stuff my father was at fort

1313
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,319
knox we went to fort knox as a kid so i

1314
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,800
i i i was

1315
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:50,880
it was uncomprehendable what happened in

1316
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,670
to explain it other than that there's

1317
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,119
there's no other explanation the

1318
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,000
proposal thing was was the the

1319
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,440
most puzzling

1320
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,920
in my mind again i i i had a full-time

1321
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,680
job we were working 60 hours at disney

1322
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:09,359
and if i did get out we went metal

1323
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:10,720
detecting so

1324
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,000
it it it occupied my brain for weeks and

1325
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,079
then after that it was back to

1326
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,160
you know hanging out with my my wife we

1327
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,680
just got married i think just before

1328
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,119
that well actually we got married after

1329
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:23,119
that that definitely was before i was

1330
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:24,480
married now that i think about it so i

1331
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,280
mean

1332
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,880
we've been dating for a year i think at

1333
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,400
that point maybe

1334
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,520
did you talk about it with your

1335
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,760
colleagues oh yeah yeah the first thing

1336
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,599
i said when we got out because the wife

1337
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,440
his his wife had said something to it

1338
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,079
too and my wife told told people also

1339
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:39,440
about it um

1340
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,359
it was all disney people people at

1341
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,119
disney and stuff and i still talk to

1342
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:45,760
quite a few people from disney as well

1343
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,800
yeah um so richard wanted to know have

1344
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,720
you ever your family had other

1345
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,520
unexplained experiences nothing never

1346
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:55,359
the one and only thing i can ever say is

1347
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:56,400
is this

1348
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:57,119
yeah

1349
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,240
now

1350
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,800
one of the things that some people

1351
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:02,079
um i don't know if you could turn your

1352
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,520
volume down just a little bit but i

1353
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,720
think we may be having a little bit of

1354
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,760
feedback

1355
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:06,880
um

1356
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,599
one of the i'm sorry yeah

1357
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,680
that's all right so one of the theories

1358
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,160
that people come up with because i i

1359
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,000
believe i told you that

1360
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,079
when we were talking off air like i know

1361
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:22,480
less about this topic than when i

1362
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:23,880
started

1363
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,599
367 shows ago whatever it is or is it i

1364
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,280
don't even know how many shows i've done

1365
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,440
but um a lot

1366
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,480
anyway

1367
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:35,280
the the point is some people have the

1368
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,400
theory

1369
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:39,359
that this is possibly

1370
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,319
um

1371
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,280
interdimensional when you talk about

1372
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:46,160
the behavior of the object

1373
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,440
um that that could that could almost fit

1374
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,480
and um

1375
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:52,960
and by the way it was 467 shows that's

1376
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,680
what i meant to say um

1377
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,790
i mean did i feel like

1378
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:04,390
did it feel like it could be popping in

1379
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,430
uh

1380
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,440
i see the problem with that that

1381
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,680
thinking in my mind was that

1382
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,319
i had to assume by the fact that when it

1383
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,920
was at a distance it did get a little

1384
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:19,680
bigger for just a second and then it was

1385
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,240
there i assume that it it moved that

1386
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:23,920
quickly these days that's what i think

1387
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,119
now then maybe a different story but now

1388
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,440
with science i took physics and

1389
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,599
astronomy in college i i've dug into

1390
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,200
that not because of this it had nothing

1391
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,000
it was part of my my my pre-required

1392
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,400
classes for for it but

1393
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,920
i i

1394
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,760
i almost wonder if they've been here

1395
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,000
they've under the water if again this is

1396
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,240
just speculation who knows at this point

1397
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,880
maybe they are from somewhere else my my

1398
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,559
biggest

1399
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:52,000
i want to bring up a scientist for

1400
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,440
justice can i you mind if i go off on

1401
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,119
tangent about why i think certain things

1402
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,160
were just sure yeah um uh neil degrasse

1403
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,640
tyson i've watched him in the past i've

1404
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:02,079
watched the universe all that kind of

1405
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,880
stuff

1406
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,240
and

1407
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,960
i i admired him until

1408
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,880
these scientists blow off the fact well

1409
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,400
it's too far

1410
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,160
too far away there's no way they can get

1411
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,920
here in this time

1412
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,760
that that kills it for me on anybody

1413
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,319
these days because we're in our infant

1414
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,640
uh stage of understanding science in my

1415
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,880
opinion we're talking about somebody who

1416
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,880
could have been some being something

1417
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,680
else

1418
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,520
who could have been around for a million

1419
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,119
years it only took

1420
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,720
go i collect antiques as you know we

1421
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,480
talk about antiques if i go back a

1422
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,079
hundred years the stuff we have now

1423
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,400
would be completely unrecognizable in

1424
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,800
any way if i took a cell phone back to

1425
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,480
the revolutionary war

1426
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,000
they would be and i would pretty much

1427
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,359
stop society to see what this thing is

1428
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,040
and i just

1429
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,359
i personally feel that we they could get

1430
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,119
here and i i think we just don't

1431
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,599
understand technology enough to

1432
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,760
transverse the amount of distance that

1433
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,079
you would have to i personally feel that

1434
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,800
science is just in its infancy

1435
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,440
so you were mentioning ari loeb i i do

1436
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,520
like him and he's the first scientist

1437
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,800
and i heard what happened to him after

1438
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,680
he came out and he's the first one

1439
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,440
i think he is an astrophysicist if i'm

1440
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,760
not mistaken yes he's the first one that

1441
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:14,800
i

1442
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,400
college

1443
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,480
that the the the professors there

1444
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,559
promote fellow professors books they all

1445
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,760
stick in a little click and again no

1446
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,760
offense to anybody else i would like to

1447
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,240
have my phd one one day too but

1448
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,079
i feel that it's

1449
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,559
this type of thing is holding it back

1450
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,800
i truly believe that there that the

1451
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,040
space distance means nothing with the

1452
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,800
right technology and i believe that that

1453
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,520
technology is here

1454
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,920
if if the russians had this if china had

1455
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,480
this in 89 90

1456
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,240
we wouldn't be having an arms race they

1457
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,920
wouldn't need to invest the money they

1458
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,839
are into military it would be done we

1459
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:59,680
wouldn't be able to do anything about it

1460
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,559
it would be done it defies logic

1461
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,280
if somebody has this here

1462
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,119
again maybe they're in the water maybe

1463
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:09,280
at the story of atlantis is some uh you

1464
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,240
know

1465
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,559
glimpse of some something a lot of it

1466
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,559
seems to happen by water my experience

1467
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,200
was a very very close distance to the

1468
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:18,640
gulf

1469
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,520
yeah i don't know i i i just think that

1470
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,240
that the idea that they're from

1471
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,720
20 light years away is completely 100

1472
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,440
percent a possibility just because with

1473
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:31,040
again the right technology it doesn't

1474
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,319
mean you have to have wormholes or

1475
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,559
anything else like that i just feel we

1476
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,280
don't understand how it all works yet

1477
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:39,200
and and we know that

1478
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,640
you're preaching to you're preaching to

1479
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,520
the choir here and i've had people on

1480
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,160
that you know were basically debunkers

1481
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:48,240
type type or skeptics that i've talked

1482
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,280
about this and so i posed the question

1483
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,760
maybe they understand

1484
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,000
some physics that we don't we have not

1485
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:58,720
discovered yet because that's we have we

1486
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,839
will discover physics in the future and

1487
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,079
the problem with science and a lot of

1488
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:06,559
scientists not all of them but we're

1489
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,520
always

1490
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,119
thinking that we know everything there

1491
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:10,800
is to know which is absolutely

1492
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,599
ridiculous because uh you can't go

1493
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,599
forward if you have a mind like that i

1494
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,240
mean you're you're close-minded to

1495
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,160
discovering things because you just

1496
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,319
think it can't be done you can't

1497
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,400
traverse the unit you know the stars

1498
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,480
because it can't be done it's too far we

1499
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,800
can't do it that doesn't mean somebody a

1500
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,400
hundred years a thousand years more

1501
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,200
advanced than us can't do it they're

1502
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,720
they're they're they're comparing apples

1503
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,640
and oranges it would be like asking a

1504
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,559
caveman to do it versus asking us to go

1505
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,599
to the moon

1506
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,559
i i i am stymied by the by just the

1507
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,200
thought that they say the distance is is

1508
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,440
too great it's too great for us it's too

1509
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,359
great for us we couldn't even travel

1510
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,000
across across the ocean for you know

1511
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,720
most of of human existence we had no

1512
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,720
means to do it whether we could navigate

1513
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:58,000
it or not or

1514
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,920
guide our our direction by the stars or

1515
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,240
not we had no way to do it and that

1516
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,960
wasn't that long ago so the idea that

1517
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,040
that just because we can't transverse

1518
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,880
space

1519
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:10,880
it may mean nothing the fact that it

1520
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:11,680
could

1521
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,599
and again i i'm assuming at this point

1522
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,040
that it moved from above the trees

1523
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,559
almost a mile away to right in front of

1524
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,640
us in the blink of an eye or quicker

1525
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,960
because it moved that fast i personally

1526
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,280
feel i personally feel that it was able

1527
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,920
to put in a direction or a spot it went

1528
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,280
and it instantly

1529
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,200
transverse that that distance in that

1530
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,119
great or that that split second that's

1531
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,200
what i truly honestly believe and i

1532
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,680
believe science is styming it because

1533
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,280
they're already assuming that that can't

1534
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,680
happen and that's the problem with with

1535
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,119
holding this back

1536
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,480
you know that's why

1537
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,480
ari lobe i've watched his his whole talk

1538
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,400
on that actually i need to get his book

1539
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:48,240
but um and i'm not big on reading not

1540
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,839
that i don't read but i don't have time

1541
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,760
for it but i would put the time down to

1542
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:53,839
see what what that professor has to say

1543
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,880
because

1544
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,040
that that that is what we need more of

1545
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,040
because again saying we can't do it

1546
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,040
means no one can do it is crazy it's

1547
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,720
totally crazy that would mean we

1548
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,079
couldn't split the atom and all these

1549
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,760
other things that we have been able to

1550
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:08,400
do and that's nothing for all

1551
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,920
other societies or whoever could be

1552
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,920
coming here never even needed to split

1553
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,599
the atom maybe there was some element on

1554
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,200
their planet that

1555
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,680
made it totally pointless to do that

1556
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:20,000
just like a dyson sphere

1557
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,359
they talk about

1558
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,359
i think no one needs that i think that's

1559
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,520
a crazy thing to be looking for

1560
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,960
basically because it would be more work

1561
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,240
than it was worth if you could harness

1562
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,760
it in a smaller area why would you need

1563
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,800
to do

1564
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,559
again uh that that that's the again

1565
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,640
these these theoretical physicists

1566
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,640
driving nuts because i could theorize

1567
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,400
anything it doesn't mean it's real

1568
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,000
but then they they say you can't go the

1569
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,920
distance but yet they're theorizing

1570
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:43,599
stuff that they have no explanation and

1571
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,960
it's the same thing as traveling the

1572
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,240
distance

1573
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,640
right right well we're right up to our

1574
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,480
our break here we're going into a

1575
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:53,440
three-minute break and over at kgra

1576
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,799
radio uh you'll be having uh uh

1577
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,880
message messages over there so hang in

1578
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,040
and we'll be right back and for those of

1579
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,040
you watching live we have a little clip

1580
00:55:20,590 --> 00:55:06,240
here regarding the nimitz case and here

1581
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:32,390
[Music]

1582
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,030
and but uh kevin there was

1583
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:37,040
how many would you say that you saw in

1584
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,839
one any given situation at at one time

1585
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,079
um they appeared on the radar in groups

1586
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,400
of five to ten at a time and if i was to

1587
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,640
add up all the groups over the

1588
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:50,240
entire period of time we were tracking

1589
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,520
these things there was probably about a

1590
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,520
hundred total objects

1591
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,079
now i don't have any idea if um they

1592
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,240
were a hundred separate objects or they

1593
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,880
were the same five you know groups

1594
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,880
the same groups basically repeating

1595
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,640
somehow i don't even know if they're all

1596
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,720
the same shape and size because all i'm

1597
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:09,040
looking at on my on my console is a

1598
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,960
symbol symbology represents everything

1599
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:15,119
so it's um

1600
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,040
based on my loose my loose math is about

1601
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,520
100 all together

1602
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,280
so you know the

1603
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,599
going back to you know gary's thoughts

1604
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:25,599
or whatever have

1605
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,000
it just seems like if there was this

1606
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,240
tic-tac-shaped

1607
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,440
uh odd object objects that was developed

1608
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,280
by the military and they were testing

1609
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,200
them you just seemed

1610
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:38,880
you would seem to

1611
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,440
kind of get the idea that a lot of

1612
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,040
people would be seeing them it wouldn't

1613
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,760
just be your situation you know they'd

1614
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:47,359
be seeing them over and over and over

1615
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:51,359
and uh uh are there any other um you

1616
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,640
know people that have come forward

1617
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,960
saying they're seeing the same objects

1618
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,400
that you're aware of

1619
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,640
i know kevin has done some research in

1620
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:00,400
this with especially with the sightings

1621
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,240
around the same area that we were at and

1622
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,160
apparently there's been hundreds of

1623
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,400
people that have seen it

1624
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,480
so yeah and then and then the recent the

1625
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,400
more recent uh events on the east coast

1626
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:13,040
with the roosevelt battle group um

1627
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,400
according to some of the reports i've

1628
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:16,160
heard from those guys is they were

1629
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,280
seeing them

1630
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,520
some sort of objects out there almost on

1631
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,400
a daily basis for for a period of time

1632
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:24,160
but that's more like that's where the go

1633
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,440
ahead that's where the gimbal and the go

1634
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,960
fast videos came yeah i was gonna say

1635
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,799
but that's the gimbal is not you know

1636
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,799
you're not your tic tac shape and then

1637
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,720
you're getting you're going to be

1638
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,319
getting into some other type of

1639
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:36,240
technology that that is

1640
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,319
if it's our own um you know it's

1641
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,839
i mean they could have different models

1642
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,280
using the same thing i mean they could

1643
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:44,880
be for different things because i mean

1644
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:47,520
rf-18s don't look like jumbo jets you

1645
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,799
know i mean

1646
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,960
it's just a matter of or they could

1647
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:52,880
have different purposes one could be

1648
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:55,680
reconnaissance one could be uh you know

1649
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,880
for use for actual combat

1650
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:00,960
two one go

1651
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:03,280
all right uh welcome back this is martin

1652
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:06,400
willis and uh tonight we have don heiden

1653
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,520
on and he is talking about a ufo

1654
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,680
encounter and i just ran that clip

1655
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,119
because uh

1656
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,960
you know we were talking there i was

1657
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,079
talking about

1658
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:19,200
technology back in 2004

1659
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,880
and we have someone that observed

1660
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,040
something very similar

1661
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,720
much earlier

1662
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,559
welcome back don

1663
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:27,760
good to be back

1664
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,880
don did you say that was more like 1989

1665
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,119
1990 something like that it was in the

1666
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,440
winter 89 90 it would have been like

1667
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,400
december or january one of those two i

1668
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,160
can't give you a specific date we've

1669
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,839
metal detected up there god i don't know

1670
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:43,280
how many times you know throughout that

1671
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:44,480
area

1672
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,280
yeah

1673
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:47,040
um you know one

1674
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,160
i don't know if i

1675
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:49,920
ever asked for this but has anyone ever

1676
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,559
given you a hard time about this

1677
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,720
story like if you're out in a bar or

1678
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,559
whatever you're talking no honestly no i

1679
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,319
mean i got a bunch of from the first

1680
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,480
video i put up i think i i had ended up

1681
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,880
deleting like 12 nasty comments but i

1682
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,880
mean i get them on my videos about ebay

1683
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:07,280
and stuff all the time so

1684
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,720
yeah you know

1685
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,319
it kind of goes with the territory

1686
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,160
unfortunately when whenever you're out

1687
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,079
there talking about it doesn't matter

1688
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,000
what you're talking about really you

1689
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,559
know i've never had anybody in person

1690
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,319
ever you know if they wanted to hear the

1691
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,160
whole thing and ask questions and stuff

1692
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:24,079
usually you know that's that's usually

1693
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:25,520
the end of the extent of the thing and

1694
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,880
then we went on to doing whatever we

1695
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:28,480
were doing after the conversation

1696
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,359
usually yeah and so you know you were

1697
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:33,920
making a really good point about

1698
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:34,720
um

1699
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,839
scientists you know and and

1700
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,960
um

1701
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:43,119
in particular i just did want to mention

1702
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,119
that if you go to the debrief uh website

1703
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:50,160
uh leslie kane wrote an article

1704
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,079
uh i think he came out last week

1705
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,480
sometime and in that article she does

1706
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,319
talk about people like neil degrasse

1707
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:59,119
tyson and how he's like closed-minded

1708
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,480
and you know

1709
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,720
an interview i i have a clip here on my

1710
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:04,319
youtube channel about him you know

1711
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,520
basically being

1712
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,440
don't get me wrong i think he's doing a

1713
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:09,359
good service i think he's good in it but

1714
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,160
he's he's stymieing because he just

1715
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,079
assumes it's not possible to begin with

1716
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,960
and i'm i want to be more open to not

1717
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:18,400
i think that's what a scientist should

1718
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,119
be

1719
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,680
yeah i mean i i like neil degrasse so do

1720
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:23,760
i don't get me wrong but i lost his

1721
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:26,000
series and you know i really i think

1722
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,960
he's he's a great speaker but

1723
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:30,000
he does

1724
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,200
say

1725
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,200
um you know things that that don't make

1726
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,200
sense like he doesn't and then he goes

1727
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,359
on to say that no one should really talk

1728
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,960
about something unless they really know

1729
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,000
about it

1730
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,559
and but he does that with i'm not trying

1731
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,400
to pick out him either he's just i

1732
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:46,079
figured everybody knew who he was you

1733
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,599
know there's a bunch of the other ones

1734
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,280
green and some of the other ones and

1735
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:52,559
stuff so yeah right brian green yeah um

1736
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,240
yeah but um it is it is interesting but

1737
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,640
what has happened i think

1738
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,880
and it just seems like a snowball effect

1739
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,920
i don't know

1740
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,440
how much you really have time to pay

1741
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,599
attention to any of this but it is sort

1742
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:07,200
of snowballing

1743
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:09,280
of science

1744
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,000
is starting to snowball their interest

1745
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,640
in this topic and the more you know like

1746
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:17,359
nasa is going to look into

1747
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,240
the uaps um you know that's that's

1748
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,520
pretty important

1749
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,760
and and i think you know i don't know

1750
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,680
what's going to happen i heard you

1751
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,599
mentioned earlier even off there you

1752
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,440
just want to know in your lifetime what

1753
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,359
it is i'm not sure if we're going to

1754
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,520
know but it seems like we have been

1755
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,200
moving the needle over the last few

1756
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,960
years and

1757
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,640
with the report that they put out i know

1758
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,400
it's preliminary as we were talking

1759
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,599
before

1760
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:43,839
my only problem is it's only covers like

1761
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,160
the last two years of incidences that's

1762
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,400
that's part of the problem that there's

1763
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,720
that they barely skim the surface of

1764
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:53,040
what they have to have i mean there's

1765
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,160
just no

1766
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,640
just like i read an article um i don't

1767
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,559
remember the the where it was at i saved

1768
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:00,960
it somewhere but saying we have material

1769
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:03,920
from from sites that people have found

1770
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:06,079
you know and and like not to go off

1771
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,319
tangent for a minute but like bob lazar

1772
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,559
you know i'm i'm not i'm a very

1773
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,160
suspicious person on anything i got to

1774
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,920
see the facts but

1775
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,920
even what he says matches it and i

1776
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:17,760
didn't figure that out until after you

1777
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:20,319
know 2017. i was never into that i don't

1778
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:21,680
watch any of those

1779
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:22,880
any of those

1780
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,920
mystery shows or or ancient aliens i

1781
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:27,119
don't watch i don't have time for any of

1782
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:28,480
that even if i did that's not what i

1783
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,599
would watch

1784
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:31,599
um

1785
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,240
again i think i think that some of these

1786
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:36,400
scientists are

1787
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,000
nervous they don't want their world to

1788
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,920
change and i think they're they're stuck

1789
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,839
in there and they again i saw somebody

1790
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:43,599
put a comment they put he put his foot

1791
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:47,280
down again i i'm no disrespect to to

1792
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:48,720
professor tyson everything else like

1793
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:49,599
that

1794
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,480
seem the professors in person i dealt

1795
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:56,640
with them for my board to pass my

1796
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,440
my masters i know how

1797
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,359
glitchy and groupy they all are and

1798
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:03,520
again no disrespect but that that is how

1799
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:06,079
the whole thing works every professor in

1800
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:07,359
master for when i was going from a

1801
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,400
master's

1802
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,480
all the books that we had to do or

1803
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:12,079
address or things were stuff that was

1804
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,599
related to friends of theirs they went

1805
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,440
to school with their professors they

1806
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,440
went to and that's the only reason they

1807
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:18,960
picked them and

1808
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,920
uh that even even even what i had a

1809
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:23,760
professor for uh we took japanese

1810
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:24,720
history

1811
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,799
and even he said he was tenured he's

1812
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,400
he's still here he's still at university

1813
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:30,799
of toledo and he had made some comments

1814
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:33,039
on you know how it is and and that

1815
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,880
perfectly fits how i thought and what i

1816
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,640
saw and

1817
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:38,400
i just don't want things stymied i think

1818
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,839
i think

1819
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:41,520
the the idea again as i said earlier

1820
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:42,240
that

1821
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:43,680
if you're saying it can't be possible

1822
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:44,559
you're never going to look into it

1823
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:45,839
you're never going to find out if it is

1824
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,359
or isn't if you think it's not from the

1825
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:49,599
start you're already made up your mind

1826
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,960
what's going to happen at the end of the

1827
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,839
study

1828
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,200
yeah yeah

1829
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:55,359
uh yeah there's a saying that goes along

1830
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,880
those lines an old saying um but

1831
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:00,319
um

1832
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:02,720
i

1833
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:14,400
says but

1834
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,160
some of his there's a little two more

1835
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:18,240
information than him just being some

1836
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,760
coop there's there's

1837
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:20,880
you know like

1838
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,680
he's extremely bright there's nothing

1839
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:25,200
can i give you a bob lazar story i've

1840
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:26,559
actually talked to him

1841
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,559
oh wow okay yeah let's let's hear it

1842
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,200
yeah in in um my son's

1843
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,440
going for a chemistry engineering degree

1844
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:35,599
and bob lazar owns i don't know if he

1845
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,119
still does united nuclear and they used

1846
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:39,359
to be in michigan and my son

1847
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:43,039
had a vintage um um geiger counter that

1848
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:44,640
we got at a

1849
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:47,520
in in um in hocking hills are in in ohio

1850
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:49,760
he got a vintage um

1851
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,960
detector and so i got him a piece of

1852
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,799
depleted uranium and i still have it i

1853
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,079
can prove it i've got the piece from

1854
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:58,640
united nuclear still here i called and

1855
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,079
he answered the phone i didn't know who

1856
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,000
he was i had no idea who bob lazar was

1857
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,000
in any way shape or form when i talked

1858
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,319
and i talked to him for 15 or 20 minutes

1859
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,880
he spent his time he offered because i

1860
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:10,480
was worried about getting my son

1861
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,359
depleted uranium so you know i was

1862
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:14,880
definitely afraid my son was trying to

1863
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,480
get something that might be illegal that

1864
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,079
might call attention that people might

1865
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,240
think we're up to something crazy so i

1866
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,160
had a long conversation about it he told

1867
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,240
me he could eat it and it wouldn't hurt

1868
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,160
him and he went into a whole story yeah

1869
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,319
he actually sealed it himself in a

1870
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:30,480
little glass vial for us

1871
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,640
i mean we're talking like a 60 purchase

1872
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:34,720
and he spent 15 minutes of his time with

1873
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:38,480
me and he he he was as bright a person

1874
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,400
as i think i've ever talked to in in the

1875
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,559
science aspect of it without a doubt and

1876
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,400
this is true story i literally talked to

1877
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:46,319
him for that time about it when they

1878
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:48,880
were in maybe grand grand rapids because

1879
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:50,240
we were even worried about how they

1880
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:52,000
could ship it now we realized they were

1881
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,599
local and i i offered to come and pick

1882
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,440
it up if there was an issue with it as

1883
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,240
well he was that was fine and we had a

1884
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:00,240
15-minute conversation or so with with

1885
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,200
bob lazar over united nuclear and again

1886
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,720
i didn't know who he was at all and i

1887
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,480
didn't even know he owned united nuclear

1888
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,799
until like 2018 when somebody else

1889
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:10,559
brought it up i had no clue it was the

1890
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,960
same gentleman who who talks about that

1891
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:14,079
he

1892
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:19,440
at least with his background i've seen

1893
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:22,240
the jet carve uh you know print out i've

1894
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:25,440
seen his name in um um one of the

1895
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,839
telephone directories and you know on

1896
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,680
and on so yeah

1897
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:31,200
there could be something

1898
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:33,599
you know not totally straight about

1899
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:37,280
everything but again i i'm

1900
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:39,680
like the element whatever the element

1901
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:45,039
114 or 14 115 or maybe a 151 element

1902
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:46,720
someone in chat will let me know yeah i

1903
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:48,880
think it's 115 or something like that

1904
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,359
but the whole idea that he did he would

1905
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:53,359
have just been making something up that

1906
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:56,240
actually now they can prove is there so

1907
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:57,599
again it comes back to we don't

1908
01:07:01,750 --> 01:07:00,319
understand so much that you know some

1909
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,760
other place could have something that

1910
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,839
can do stuff that we can't

1911
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:05,599
yeah yeah

1912
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:07,680
um yeah i'm not gonna i'm not gonna get

1913
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:09,520
into the bob lazar argument because

1914
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:10,559
every time

1915
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,880
i do i get a lot of email um but um i do

1916
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,720
have some interesting documents but

1917
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,480
that's all i'm gonna say

1918
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:20,880
right now and there's also the uh

1919
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:23,359
the body language panel observed a lot

1920
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:25,039
of his videos and you know there was a

1921
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:28,480
lot of inconsistencies but um

1922
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:30,799
uh like i'm trying not to go there so

1923
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:34,000
well i said let's move on

1924
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:35,920
um so what do you think

1925
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,319
about uh when

1926
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,079
you hear i mean

1927
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,720
over the years you must have like seen

1928
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:44,400
like no one talked about the topic at

1929
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:46,079
all really it just seemed that way you

1930
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:49,039
know like i started this show in 2011

1931
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,880
and um i

1932
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,640
thought it was fascinating but you

1933
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,160
really didn't hear it at all in

1934
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:56,240
mainstream media and then all of a

1935
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:57,280
sudden

1936
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,880
after 2017 you're hearing it and have

1937
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:02,880
you done um

1938
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,640
or you actually told me off air that

1939
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:06,960
you've really looked into

1940
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:08,960
it was baffling to you because of the

1941
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:11,200
similarities so you start saying like

1942
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:14,000
what's going on here well i i don't i

1943
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,560
don't watch people i wouldn't watch this

1944
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:19,040
if if i was why if i if it wasn't me on

1945
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,400
i wouldn't be watching it you know and

1946
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:21,759
i'm not going to watch myself of course

1947
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:25,520
but i i have to see video the videos i

1948
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,920
watch if there's video posted of it i

1949
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:29,520
come to my conclusion whether i think

1950
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:32,799
it's bs the pilot ones in my mind

1951
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:33,759
are

1952
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:36,719
again i i can't imagine you know them

1953
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,279
not being something out of the ordinary

1954
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,759
if our government

1955
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,679
can't detect where they came from you

1956
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,440
know like what was the last one with the

1957
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:47,279
pyramid-shaped ones that was all over

1958
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,400
the place

1959
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,719
yeah that's that's still not quite they

1960
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,400
still don't know quite about what that

1961
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:54,480
one was in particular there was off one

1962
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:56,880
off of the uh well that was the one i'm

1963
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:58,400
talking about the one that they swarmed

1964
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,279
it i looked into that one very specific

1965
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:03,920
one i tracked down there was online you

1966
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:06,080
can see the log books from the ships the

1967
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,440
actual log books that they wrote the

1968
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,759
events on and then i looked into the

1969
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,679
technology that was on the ship on a ton

1970
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:13,040
of other military sites because i

1971
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,319
thought about doing a video but i don't

1972
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:16,319
i didn't want to get bombarded and i

1973
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,600
just said i'm not going to do any more

1974
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,520
like that but i looked in all that the

1975
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:21,679
the ships involved have the

1976
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:23,679
most technology we have in this entire

1977
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:26,319
country the top of the line everything

1978
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:27,920
if you look up what that ship looked

1979
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,799
like it looks like some futuristic hole

1980
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,880
it doesn't it's not even strange looking

1981
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:34,640
yes there's only seven of those in the

1982
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,279
whole entire arsenal and that has those

1983
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,359
ships have the most advanced technology

1984
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,759
we have underwater in the air and the

1985
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,000
ground and and for them not to know

1986
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,920
where it came from where it went

1987
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,600
for people to say it's a balloon or it's

1988
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,960
this or that

1989
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,960
we can tell anything that's terrestrial

1990
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,199
bound pretty much from what i've seen

1991
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,600
you know and and to have matching radar

1992
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,600
from the ship from other ships to have

1993
01:10:02,950 --> 01:09:59,920
log books that all match

1994
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,960
and you know i i there there's it's it's

1995
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,760
not

1996
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,440
technology that i could say that we

1997
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:07,360
would be putting out there it just it

1998
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,600
doesn't make any sense it defies logic

1999
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:11,120
to be spending all the money on these

2000
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:12,880
other things

2001
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:15,040
again even like the space program the

2002
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:16,960
space program would be useless if we

2003
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,440
could do that we could just dip we're

2004
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:21,040
wherever we want to be that's again i

2005
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:22,640
just can't see

2006
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,600
why it would be hidden again in 89 90

2007
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:27,760
the the technology there was no cell

2008
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:30,960
phones the technology was analog based

2009
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:32,320
well yeah barely there was the brick

2010
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,480
ones too but that's what i had

2011
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:36,560
yeah the point is though you know it

2012
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:37,840
wasn't

2013
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,679
we were still you know caveman

2014
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:41,679
considering the electronics and in

2015
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:44,080
technology with what we have today and

2016
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,000
what i saw has to be

2017
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:48,480
well above and beyond that it's not 20

2018
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:50,000
30 years like you know the military

2019
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:51,679
works it's got to be way farther than

2020
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,440
that and if it is

2021
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:55,600
military where did they get the the the

2022
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:58,239
way to do that it's not you mean harvard

2023
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,840
they we they work with

2024
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,679
major universities who's doing it if

2025
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,520
they are and then i've had people say

2026
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:05,600
well it's it's probably some individual

2027
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:06,960
where would an individual get the

2028
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:09,360
technology the power and all the other

2029
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,199
things tied to it to be able to do that

2030
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,199
and then to be able to hide it

2031
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:15,600
you you it's so advanced there have to

2032
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,159
be a bunch of people doing this and

2033
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:20,640
why wouldn't it be used in any you know

2034
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,840
conflict it would change the world yeah

2035
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:26,000
right that's why i can't see it because

2036
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:28,000
why we wouldn't have done anything we

2037
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,679
could just outmaneuver every plane they

2038
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,600
have we could just do this we could just

2039
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,360
do that

2040
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,199
when i was digging into this one of the

2041
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:36,880
reports and this was from i think the

2042
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:37,760
head

2043
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:40,719
of um strategic command or some real

2044
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:43,760
high-ranking person he said a story

2045
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,960
i want to almost say maybe he was

2046
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:46,320
department of the head of the department

2047
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,520
of defense

2048
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:49,440
quite a while ago he said there was a

2049
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:51,520
story of a pilot's plane one of ours

2050
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:53,600
being frozen in midair when one of these

2051
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,320
things was up there so you know this is

2052
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,239
from some high-ranking person this is

2053
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,400
again in our government i've seen the

2054
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:02,320
one of the canadian officials saying

2055
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:03,600
something similar and what's the

2056
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:05,679
gentleman and pope i think his last name

2057
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,400
is from the uk nick pope yeah that's it

2058
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,239
yeah i mean there there's enough out

2059
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,560
there to say that

2060
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:13,920
they know more than they're telling us i

2061
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:15,520
guess is the point

2062
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:18,239
yeah yeah you know um i've said on the

2063
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:19,679
show for the listener probably heard me

2064
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,920
say it way too many times but um you

2065
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:24,000
know i think you know it's possible our

2066
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:25,360
government

2067
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:28,000
may know a little more than we do but i

2068
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,600
i'm still not convinced that they know

2069
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:31,679
what it is i still i would agree with

2070
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,400
that yeah i think they know a lot more

2071
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:36,400
about what it looks like

2072
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:38,560
and some trajectories and stuff like

2073
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:39,920
that but i don't think they can go

2074
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,159
beyond that because we can't catch them

2075
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:44,159
whatever they are again if they're being

2076
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,760
honest with it then i have to take them

2077
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:47,920
afterward with the videos um

2078
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,600
like the video where the ship splits up

2079
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,840
and i think that's in maybe puerto rico

2080
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,360
it turns into two ships it goes in the

2081
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:55,040
water and turns into

2082
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,640
again that's unexplainable i know they

2083
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:58,480
talk about quantum physics and this and

2084
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:59,600
that

2085
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:00,320
yeah

2086
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,239
and it goes in and out of the water

2087
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,040
medium without any slowdown or splash

2088
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:07,199
which is another really bizarre thing

2089
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:09,840
and and you know there's no sonic boom

2090
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:11,520
with high speed you didn't hear a sonic

2091
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,800
boom did you

2092
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,040
no nothing nothing at all yeah and

2093
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,280
that's again why i come back to

2094
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:19,679
why i say it's it's it's not ours and

2095
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:22,719
it's not russians it's not chinese

2096
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,159
look at their budgets look at them look

2097
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,679
at our military budget you know we

2098
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,120
wouldn't need anything if we already had

2099
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,040
this we could who knows unless it costs

2100
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,960
a fortune to make just one of these but

2101
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,320
there's obviously more than one and

2102
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:34,239
they've been around for a long time

2103
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,920
i dug into this because i didn't want to

2104
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,600
think think i was crazy and i dug into

2105
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:40,159
this after 2017 there's a bunch of other

2106
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:42,800
tic tac experiences it's not just one

2107
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,960
two offs or three and all this stuff

2108
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,400
goes back to

2109
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,400
um like the foo fighters back in world

2110
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:50,159
war ii and stuff and it i've seen

2111
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:51,840
reports going back even farther than

2112
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:54,400
that you know modern day ones by people

2113
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:55,520
of

2114
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:59,600
understanding educated people people who

2115
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:00,640
should know

2116
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:02,560
to be able to distinguish some crazy

2117
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,199
thing versus reality and you know

2118
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:07,199
i have to say that there's

2119
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:08,800
not a preponderance of evidence because

2120
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,159
there's not enough

2121
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,719
here just like um

2122
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,000
again i'm not trying to pick on neil

2123
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,920
degrasse tyson i i do admire him so

2124
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,520
don't get me wrong but saying why don't

2125
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:19,199
they just land on the white house well

2126
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:21,760
who's no one's i mean

2127
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:23,920
we don't speak for the whole world

2128
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,440
they look at if they're watching our

2129
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:27,840
signals we fight over just awful stupid

2130
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:29,120
things and

2131
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,960
why would they risk it and and then you

2132
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,320
come into

2133
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,800
religious ramifications and and you know

2134
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:36,560
all these other things like the hail bop

2135
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:37,920
thing and all that kind of stuff with

2136
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:39,520
the

2137
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,679
so again if you're looking at this from

2138
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,520
the outside

2139
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:45,679
you know i don't know if me as a person

2140
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:48,000
would even be wanting to talk to another

2141
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,679
country if i hadn't seen them before it

2142
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,440
would be it'd be awkward just like i

2143
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:53,440
hear people talking about why would they

2144
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,120
have lights well we have lights on our

2145
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:57,040
vehicles just because they're here

2146
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:58,239
doesn't mean they don't drive those

2147
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,520
around in their own place and have to

2148
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,600
identify where they're at lights are a

2149
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,520
common thing for a reason on objects so

2150
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:05,920
you don't hit something i mean why why

2151
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:08,320
is it there's another there is that is a

2152
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,679
subject that's come up in this show a

2153
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:11,040
number of times why do they have lights

2154
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:12,880
and and you know there's speculation

2155
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,280
maybe because they want to be seen

2156
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:17,360
even even not for that just the ships

2157
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,719
probably have lights they don't take

2158
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,800
them off to come here you know that it's

2159
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:23,120
and whether they want to be seen or not

2160
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,560
they don't want to be

2161
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:26,320
totally seen because they're they won't

2162
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:28,159
stick around at the end of the day is is

2163
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,280
what it is

2164
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:31,280
but but again if if they were our

2165
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:32,560
military

2166
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,040
too many people have seen it it wouldn't

2167
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:36,800
it would defeat the purpose it's not

2168
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:39,679
like uh the blackhawk or something or

2169
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,840
some top secret stealth plane or

2170
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,280
something it's already out there that

2171
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:45,440
was only behind the scenes for 15 or 20

2172
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,400
years

2173
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,320
at this point if we had this technology

2174
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:50,480
from 89.90 it would have been out by now

2175
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:54,159
you would think that's right yeah and

2176
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:57,679
you mentioned about the report and how

2177
01:16:01,110 --> 01:16:00,320
um basically that they only want to go

2178
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,120
back

2179
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:03,600
so many years and their excuse for that

2180
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,800
is that they have modern equipment to

2181
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:09,199
you know to to get the data from but

2182
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:10,560
there's

2183
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:13,280
they you i totally agree with you that

2184
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:15,520
they are missing out on so much because

2185
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:18,400
of you know there's radar reports from

2186
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:19,679
way way back

2187
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,719
of uh objects doing right hand turns at

2188
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,960
you know i don't know 5 000 miles an

2189
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:27,120
hour and stuff like that pretty crazy

2190
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,709
what's that 600 g's and higher i heard

2191
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,440
yeah oh yeah yeah like for instance you

2192
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:38,000
know that was observed from the nimitz

2193
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:39,440
and that whole the princeton and all

2194
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,280
that from that that case

2195
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:42,960
and uh yeah

2196
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:44,960
like with after the report it's just

2197
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,960
been silent too and then that kind of

2198
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,960
bothers me too because they haven't even

2199
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,480
the news picked up on it for a minute

2200
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,239
and then they just dropped it

2201
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:53,600
basically it's like they dropped the

2202
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,600
ball out of the whole thing it's a very

2203
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:57,600
ephemeral society you know you know that

2204
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:58,400
from

2205
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:01,040
doing what you do but it is bizarre and

2206
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:03,280
uh you know i i really think that if

2207
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:05,600
they announce well you know aliens are

2208
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:07,280
real and it's really happening we're

2209
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,520
really being visited from other planets

2210
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:11,679
that in two or three days we'd be going

2211
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:12,480
on

2212
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:16,560
and

2213
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:17,280
not

2214
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:19,120
i i don't know it just seems strange

2215
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:20,800
like that and i do agree there's it's

2216
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,760
been very quiet and um we did have some

2217
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:26,239
really good momentum you know perhaps we

2218
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:30,480
will again uh chad underwood was a uh

2219
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:33,440
navy pilot that actually filmed that uh

2220
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:37,360
tic tac ufo um and there's he's he's

2221
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:39,520
spoken out you know quite a bit about

2222
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,480
that and uh there's been uh some we had

2223
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,280
a past guest here chris leto and he's

2224
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,679
been um going back and forth with mick

2225
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:49,920
west who was on mick west who's i would

2226
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,159
classify mick west as more

2227
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,080
of a debunker than a skeptic but you

2228
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:57,040
know someone may disagree with that um i

2229
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,560
don't buy any of his logic somebody

2230
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,480
pointed me to a couple of his videos and

2231
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,239
and uh he's he's just

2232
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,239
i won't say anymore i i just don't buy

2233
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:06,640
much of what he says truthfully yeah but

2234
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,239
anyway i did want to point out that

2235
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,239
there is a video out there i can't pull

2236
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,800
it up right now that chris lito had with

2237
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:14,880
a fleur expert

2238
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:16,880
and there was so many flaws on what nick

2239
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,719
west was saying that i mean it's really

2240
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:20,719
worth watching so if you go on

2241
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:21,600
um

2242
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:24,560
on chris lito's youtube channel you will

2243
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,320
see it there i think it was a few shows

2244
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:28,400
ago he's really putting a hard effort

2245
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:31,360
into um looking at this topic

2246
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:34,239
and uh and i've been in contact with him

2247
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,239
since he's been on the show it's been

2248
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,239
pretty interesting for him and more

2249
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:40,560
people like that are coming forward and

2250
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:42,000
saying hey look you know you you

2251
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:44,560
debunkers out there you know just don't

2252
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:46,239
throw around something if you've never

2253
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:48,800
used the equipment before and and and

2254
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:51,120
just you don't assume that's the problem

2255
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,840
with a lot of debunking his

2256
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:54,960
assumptions

2257
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:56,960
that's my problem too i don't promote or

2258
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,640
talk about anything i don't personally

2259
01:19:02,229 --> 01:19:00,400
use in my business so if i on my other

2260
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:02,239
on my channel the auction professor if i

2261
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:03,600
don't use it i'm not going to talk about

2262
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,880
i don't know how it works i don't

2263
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,560
recommend something i've never used

2264
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:08,480
either so when somebody comes out and

2265
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,719
says well this is what i was told or

2266
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:13,040
couch couch researchers and stuff that

2267
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,320
that

2268
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:16,560
it's just pointless they don't they

2269
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,920
don't have the enough knowledge and i'm

2270
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,679
not saying him specifically or anybody

2271
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,600
i'm just saying in general

2272
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:23,520
unless you've done it used it know how

2273
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:25,040
it works i wouldn't personally talk

2274
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,199
about it you can research it online all

2275
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:29,440
you want but it's still not going to be

2276
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:31,520
anywhere near actually being able to use

2277
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:34,000
it load it touch the machine for one you

2278
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:35,440
know

2279
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,239
yeah the model you made is white was the

2280
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,560
object someone asked earlier was the

2281
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,400
object actually white but you said it

2282
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,719
was sort of glowing it was it was like

2283
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:46,640
the moon it was just bright white i

2284
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,320
guess that was it this is a little dirty

2285
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:50,159
but yeah

2286
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:53,360
yeah so it was uh it was white and yeah

2287
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,640
that is that is pretty bizarre that it's

2288
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:57,520
you know

2289
01:20:02,830 --> 01:20:00,159
what dave framer describes

2290
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:02,840
uh basically the same and also alex

2291
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:05,920
dietrich um describes basically seeing

2292
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:09,040
that that same that same object well i

2293
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:10,719
found it like three other ones and

2294
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,040
written uh reports on it one landed in

2295
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:15,040
the desert somewhere that's again i

2296
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,480
thought they were oh yeah the socorro

2297
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:18,239
incident i was remembered

2298
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:20,080
yeah that was kind of more egg-shaped

2299
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:21,840
but but yes i was

2300
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,960
back in 66 i think i want to say

2301
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:26,400
uh could be a little bit early but i'm

2302
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:29,360
pretty sure it was around that era

2303
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,560
yeah yeah very interesting and um

2304
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:34,239
and nothing

2305
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:35,760
when it comes to what these people are

2306
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:37,760
seeing for objects out there there's no

2307
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:38,800
you don't have to worry about

2308
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,639
aerodynamics i guess

2309
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:43,199
the uh disc model is pretty aerodynamic

2310
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:46,239
but it doesn't seem to need that type of

2311
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:47,040
thing

2312
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:48,719
i don't personally i would say they

2313
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:51,199
don't the shape means nothing in my book

2314
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:54,400
yeah if you can do that with one shape

2315
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:55,679
again if they're going through our

2316
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:58,320
atmosphere at you know six seven hundred

2317
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:00,960
um g's or something you know flying at

2318
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:03,920
10 20 30 000 miles an hour

2319
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,679
if they can transverse that without

2320
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,920
melting the outside of the ship or you

2321
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:09,440
know being slowed down or without

2322
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:11,120
creating a boom this the shape of the

2323
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,800
ship means nothing i think there's the

2324
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:14,560
the warp bubble that everybody talks

2325
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:16,800
about coming into play or something you

2326
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,280
know maybe the animals can sense things

2327
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,520
that we can't and hence that's why

2328
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:23,600
there's no sound when they're around

2329
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,199
maybe they sense it you know they're not

2330
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:27,120
silenced they're you know like just

2331
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,880
before a storm comes sometimes all the

2332
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,800
birds are quiet and stuff like that

2333
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:32,400
that's what maybe uh you know is

2334
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:34,320
happening is again animals have senses

2335
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:35,600
that we can't

2336
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:37,040
can't comprehend

2337
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,960
yeah i remember someone saying they

2338
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:40,560
thought it had something to do with the

2339
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,719
way they travel the space time thing but

2340
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:44,080
i who knows i mean that's all

2341
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:45,520
speculation yeah who knows exactly

2342
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,600
exactly yeah

2343
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:49,040
when

2344
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:53,440
and then

2345
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,679
it it all like that

2346
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:57,840
the aftermath i want to say was this

2347
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,639
like all-consuming for quite a while for

2348
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,960
you or was it something i had to go back

2349
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:04,800
to work the next day you know ten hour

2350
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:11,669
four or five weeks you know it was solid

2351
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:13,520
in my head constantly

2352
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:15,679
and then it's you know it you know

2353
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,080
wasn't as as important and things were

2354
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:21,360
happening and you know uh it wasn't as

2355
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:24,239
much of that and then i by maybe you

2356
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:26,239
know five years down it was just a story

2357
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,920
i told once in a while when we were out

2358
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:29,520
somewhere and it didn't occupy my mind

2359
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,600
much until 2017

2360
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,880
and you know because what can i do about

2361
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:34,800
it i you know it was already happened

2362
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:36,639
years back even even at that point what

2363
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:37,679
can i do

2364
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:40,159
and i had no photos and you know people

2365
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:41,840
still ridiculed anybody who said

2366
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:43,360
something like that don't report it

2367
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,760
you'll be laughed at and you know so at

2368
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,000
that point what was the sense i guess it

2369
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:49,920
was it was four minutes or less of my

2370
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:51,040
life and

2371
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,719
you know uh

2372
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:54,560
yeah would you say would you think that

2373
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:57,040
that object was under intelligent

2374
01:23:02,149 --> 01:22:59,840
control 100

2375
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,159
no no question there's i mean

2376
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,880
i i have thought about that a lot when

2377
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,719
it you know because it got there whether

2378
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,159
it was remote controlled or what i don't

2379
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:10,080
know but

2380
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:12,400
i i i don't think it came there to see

2381
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,080
us that's that's my point and i don't

2382
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,159
think it moved over there maybe we

2383
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:18,080
surprised i don't know or maybe it knew

2384
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,600
we were there maybe you can see this the

2385
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:21,600
heat or something i mean we had

2386
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,760
electronics on i don't know how far a

2387
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,920
metal detector would be detectable you

2388
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,600
know from a distance but there was metal

2389
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:29,280
detectors on and you know we weren't

2390
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,400
talking or anything we were just

2391
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:32,159
listening so i mean you don't talk while

2392
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:33,440
you're melting you can't hear what's

2393
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:35,360
here the beeps and stuff so

2394
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:37,840
i i don't know i don't i personally that

2395
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,800
don't 100 think it was there to see us

2396
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:42,400
you know i think maybe when it did see

2397
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:43,920
us it's like boom and that was when it

2398
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:46,159
left i mean i don't know it wasn't over

2399
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:47,360
our heads and

2400
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:49,360
right there for more than

2401
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,239
maybe max 20 25 seconds at the very very

2402
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:54,080
very most you know i didn't time it or

2403
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,000
anything but it wasn't in front of us

2404
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:58,400
very long at all

2405
01:24:02,390 --> 01:24:01,199
so dave altman is uh

2406
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,400
connected to

2407
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:04,560
a lot of the guys that were

2408
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:07,840
in the nimitz case that had that tic tac

2409
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,800
ufo experience back in 2004 and so he's

2410
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:12,560
just offering if you would like to speak

2411
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:14,000
to any of those people he can connect

2412
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,440
you to any of them

2413
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,080
i also do have their uh uh contact

2414
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,000
information but i appreciate it has more

2415
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:22,400
contacts in that and with those guys

2416
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,360
than i do

2417
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,199
uh but they're all very interesting i

2418
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,440
mean there's that that

2419
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,360
you know that encounter

2420
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:30,960
uh has really

2421
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:33,360
uh really changed a lot just that one

2422
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,679
single encounter you know because we're

2423
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,159
talking military um you know and there

2424
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:40,400
there's a lot of military cases and

2425
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,400
and and but um it's not uh you know

2426
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:46,719
according you know here we go i'm

2427
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,199
bringing back neil degrasse tyson again

2428
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:51,120
he says how come only military people

2429
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:52,719
see these things and you know that's

2430
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,040
kind of that's not true

2431
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,600
that's not true i personally heard the

2432
01:25:03,430 --> 01:24:59,840
radio conversation from something flying

2433
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,440
over a whole row of jets boeing's

2434
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:05,760
passenger planes where they the first

2435
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:08,000
one picked it up called the tower the

2436
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,480
tower called and asked the planes behind

2437
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,239
it and two more planes saw it fly over

2438
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:14,159
them in the opposite direction faster

2439
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:16,000
than they could you know think of and

2440
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:17,679
then there's one at maybe a o'hare

2441
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:18,960
airport or something that punches

2442
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,840
through

2443
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,120
so

2444
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,280
it's not just them i mean

2445
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,199
who else is flying all the time who else

2446
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:27,600
is in these areas at the time you know a

2447
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:28,400
a

2448
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:48,000
one of these things 50 feet from from

2449
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,560
the cockpit of one of our our jets that

2450
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,400
still is waiting to be well probably

2451
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:54,560
never will be released but yeah you know

2452
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,960
so i also like while we're bringing this

2453
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,560
up i i will tell people because i

2454
01:26:02,149 --> 01:25:59,840
mentioned it last week that i was going

2455
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:02,159
to try to reach out to luella zondo and

2456
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,400
find out about the 23-minute video that

2457
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,800
he mentioned on the podcast um that he

2458
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,800
says he expects to come out

2459
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:10,880
and uh it will be kind of a game changer

2460
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:12,320
there's more than one

2461
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:13,360
object

2462
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,360
uh uh in this video and the report is he

2463
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:20,400
uh doesn't uh he did respond through his

2464
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,440
wife and uh he doesn't know exactly when

2465
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:25,600
it's going to be released and he can't

2466
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,639
divulge anything more than that i i also

2467
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:30,639
want to say

2468
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:33,520
that people have been attacking him and

2469
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,159
in the ufo community and i think it's

2470
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:38,480
kind of ridiculous he's he's uh

2471
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:41,520
he's done nothing but try to

2472
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,080
move the needle forward and um

2473
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:46,800
uh he's not in it for the money and i

2474
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:48,800
think that's what what people are

2475
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:51,520
are guessing is what's going on but i

2476
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,120
don't think there's any of that i think

2477
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:55,199
uh

2478
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:56,719
again he's going to be on the show in

2479
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:58,080
december we're going to talk more about

2480
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:00,560
that here's a question um i don't

2481
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,080
understand this but asked don about the

2482
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,719
video on local tv of a sighting did you

2483
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:06,960
did they did your video

2484
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:09,199
the the video that i mentioned in there

2485
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,920
is not as far as i know any local

2486
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:14,159
channel we had cable i don't know where

2487
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,760
where the broadcast it could have been

2488
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,040
anywhere in the country i don't know it

2489
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:19,440
was cable i mean i don't think you get

2490
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,679
any reception back then in claremont at

2491
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,679
all back then i think everything would

2492
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,360
have been probably some national show

2493
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:27,520
and i honestly i asked the wife because

2494
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:30,560
i got bombarded with that question too

2495
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,080
it's not something i would have watched

2496
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,080
back then whatever show it was i don't

2497
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:36,159
know if it was an unsolved mysteries or

2498
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:37,199
i don't even know what the shows would

2499
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:39,280
have been called i've never been

2500
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,880
a person who watched any of those sort

2501
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:42,239
of things truthfully i don't i don't

2502
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:44,080
watch that i don't watch tv and haven't

2503
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:46,239
for a few years at all i don't and we've

2504
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:47,120
been

2505
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:49,440
we cut the cable i haven't had cable or

2506
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:51,440
anything my kids grew up with no cable

2507
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:53,120
it's always been internet for my kids

2508
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,360
and my oldest is 21. so

2509
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:57,520
i don't i don't do tv i've never been

2510
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,800
into that kind of stuff i couldn't tell

2511
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:00,880
you the show but it was on cable in

2512
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:03,360
claremont florida at that time probably

2513
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:05,040
the end of of

2514
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:07,280
1990 towards the winter was when it was

2515
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:08,560
would have been on and again i don't

2516
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,080
know if it was a rerun which i can't

2517
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,719
imagine um if it was a first run or what

2518
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:14,560
my friend called me it was about 10

2519
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:16,480
o'clock at night i was literally just

2520
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,920
going to bed we had to be at the work at

2521
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:19,520
6 30 in the morning

2522
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:20,639
by the time you get there you had to

2523
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:21,920
change clothes at the wardrobe

2524
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:24,000
department at disney and it was an hour

2525
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:25,440
so you got to get up you know what would

2526
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:26,960
have been around five in the morning i

2527
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:28,800
didn't have time to

2528
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:30,800
you know i'm never listen to that we

2529
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:32,960
worked we hung out and hung out with

2530
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:35,360
friends back in those days tv was the

2531
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:38,400
last thing i wanted to do as a you know

2532
01:29:14,149 --> 01:28:39,280
a

2533
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:14,159
did i i just flick flick on the

2534
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:16,080
microphone for most every show i do i

2535
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:16,800
don't

2536
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,639
obviously set up ahead of time but if

2537
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:22,320
i'm talking about something i'm not i'm

2538
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,239
not an orchestrator i'm not a promoter i

2539
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:26,560
don't promote even my own stuff that i

2540
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:28,239
sell i don't promote my stores i don't

2541
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:29,840
when i do videos on stuff i'm just

2542
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,760
talking about the stuff i do i'm not a

2543
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:33,280
promoter i don't

2544
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,600
i don't have a bunch of all that stuff i

2545
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:37,520
don't mess with the links i don't put

2546
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:39,920
out guidebooks i don't charge for

2547
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:41,760
services and stuff the only thing i got

2548
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,080
is a patreon page where i put videos up

2549
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,239
and that's about it you know i'm not a

2550
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:48,239
i'm not into any of that i'm not a big

2551
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:50,320
marketer i'm not a big advertiser i'm

2552
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,199
not a i'm not looking to to waste my

2553
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:55,120
time or anybody else's i put up two

2554
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:58,960
videos on ufos total i think maybe

2555
01:30:02,470 --> 01:30:00,800
38 minutes or something like that over

2556
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:02,480
the videos and that's it that's it i

2557
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,840
didn't you know one of the videos got a

2558
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,040
bunch of views

2559
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:07,760
uh i wasn't monetized at that point so i

2560
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:09,920
got nothing out of it i am monetizing

2561
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:12,159
the channel now since then but again i'm

2562
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:14,880
not you're talking pennies it's not a

2563
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:16,639
yeah if anything it could hurt my

2564
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:19,280
reputation i write for the biggest you

2565
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:21,600
know blog post that covers reselling i

2566
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:23,679
write for them i do full time this i've

2567
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:25,679
got employees that rely on me i've got

2568
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:28,400
several businesses we run i work 12 14

2569
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:30,960
hours a day i don't i don't i don't know

2570
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:32,960
what the heck i would get out of this in

2571
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,480
all honesty i've even had people say why

2572
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:36,159
don't you make those to sell the ufos

2573
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:38,000
i'm not interested in that that's not

2574
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:40,719
what i do i don't i don't know what i

2575
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:42,159
could potentially get out of this so

2576
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:43,760
when i got a couple people saying that

2577
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:44,639
i'm like

2578
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:46,639
you know again i've heard all kinds of

2579
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:48,960
stuff just in reselling stuff i get all

2580
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:50,800
kinds of crazy comments so

2581
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:51,600
yeah

2582
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:53,199
it's a whole different group of people

2583
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:55,199
that hit you up on this this aspect

2584
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:55,920
though

2585
01:31:01,830 --> 01:30:59,520
yeah yeah i mean when i i jumped from no

2586
01:31:04,149 --> 01:31:01,840
i mean i still do find out i'm a very

2587
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:04,159
busy fine art appraiser right now

2588
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:06,480
um but when

2589
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:09,520
i kind of jumped into this thing i was

2590
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:12,320
it was at a time that was different

2591
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:14,000
and then now it's a little bit more

2592
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:16,000
accepted now i'm not so afraid to talk

2593
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:17,520
about it now

2594
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:19,120
but you know when i first started doing

2595
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:22,880
this back in 2011 i just got a fantastic

2596
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:23,679
um

2597
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:26,000
job you know that was very

2598
01:31:29,669 --> 01:31:27,280
well

2599
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:29,679
compensated and all that and

2600
01:31:33,669 --> 01:31:31,840
i had to be a professional going into

2601
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:33,679
homes and things like that and i was

2602
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:34,880
concerned

2603
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:37,760
about this topic you know so about me

2604
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:39,679
being associated with it so when there

2605
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:41,840
were there was some backlash that i did

2606
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:42,800
to get

2607
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:44,159
that's what i worried about too because

2608
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:46,960
if i go and i've got my paperwork in for

2609
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:48,880
you know the phd program in american

2610
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:50,480
cultural studies and i don't want them

2611
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:52,560
to think i'm some quack and i know i

2612
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:53,760
don't think that about a lot of people

2613
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:55,840
but you know you never know with with

2614
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:56,960
the things so

2615
01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:58,639
i waited a year and a half to put those

2616
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:00,639
videos up and only because i promised

2617
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:01,760
and i was just

2618
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:03,760
i'm not gonna say sick of it but i got a

2619
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:05,360
lot of people that had asked me over

2620
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:07,440
over the year or so since i first

2621
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:09,360
brought it up just some random comment

2622
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:11,760
on a show and then that you know has set

2623
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:14,719
it off from there and and i i was i was

2624
01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:16,320
honestly nervous just to put the video

2625
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:18,239
up because i was just waiting for the

2626
01:32:21,350 --> 01:32:19,679
attack and i'm like

2627
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:21,360
we had we were attacked before once

2628
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:22,880
before as i was telling you

2629
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:24,800
i i wasn't looking forward to being

2630
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:27,040
attacked but again i i try if i say

2631
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:28,560
something i try to go through with it

2632
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:31,199
and i i procrastinated a very long time

2633
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:33,040
before i did it just because again i was

2634
01:32:37,030 --> 01:32:35,280
nervous and i didn't want to

2635
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:37,040
bring a whole bunch of hate coming to

2636
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:39,280
our house since i put that up i have

2637
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,960
been contacted people but you're the

2638
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,199
only one that i responded to even the

2639
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:45,360
local newspaper hit me up including a

2640
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:48,560
national newspaper and a national uh

2641
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,880
tv channel hit me up too a national um

2642
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:52,560
news thing i haven't responded any of

2643
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:54,800
those i'm not i'm not trying to

2644
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:56,400
you know that i don't this isn't my

2645
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:58,159
living i do something totally different

2646
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:00,639
i don't i'm not you know

2647
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:03,840
yeah yeah um i i would like to announce

2648
01:33:08,070 --> 01:33:06,080
that the lines are open and if you'd

2649
01:33:11,310 --> 01:33:08,080
like to call in and ask our guest

2650
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:11,320
a question that number is

2651
01:33:16,390 --> 01:33:14,239
855-472-5483 bill is standing by

2652
01:33:18,070 --> 01:33:16,400
and uh your calls are are welcome

2653
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:18,080
tonight um

2654
01:33:24,149 --> 01:33:20,960
and let's just see also uh if you don't

2655
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:24,159
want to actually call but you'd like to

2656
01:33:28,870 --> 01:33:25,520
ask a question

2657
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,880
in chat

2658
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:31,280
that you

2659
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:33,840
will put it in all caps so it catches my

2660
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:35,120
eye a lot of times they'll fly by

2661
01:33:38,790 --> 01:33:36,800
especially when there's a number of

2662
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:38,800
people in here

2663
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:41,120
so let me ask you this what

2664
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:42,320
to you

2665
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:43,760
you know there's there's the term

2666
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:46,480
disclosure you know and and what what

2667
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:48,560
would you feel like

2668
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:50,400
would you feel

2669
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:51,199
like

2670
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:53,360
i'm sorry let me rephrase it this way

2671
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:55,679
what do you consider would be like

2672
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:56,400
the

2673
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:57,679
government

2674
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:00,400
disclosure on the ufo topic releasing

2675
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:02,320
everything they have

2676
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,880
other than the the stuff that might

2677
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:07,120
put some of our technology in jeopardy i

2678
01:34:11,350 --> 01:34:09,600
don't want any any you know

2679
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:11,360
things that could

2680
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:12,639
part of the reason i heard some of the

2681
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:14,159
stuff wasn't released on some of these

2682
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,600
is because of the sensor technology

2683
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:17,520
underwater and we've got some new

2684
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:19,280
advanced technology they don't want to

2685
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:21,920
give away i understand that but a photo

2686
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:24,320
taken from a cockpit 50 feet away i

2687
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:26,880
don't know how that could violate or or

2688
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:29,360
expose technology that that we would

2689
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:31,760
have i think they they know what's going

2690
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:33,040
on i think they should just be able to

2691
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:34,000
put out

2692
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:36,320
all the basic stuff you know

2693
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,159
too many people have seen stuff too many

2694
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:40,320
people

2695
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:45,600
between you know fantasy and reality

2696
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:47,760
have come out and said things that just

2697
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,000
level with us i understand that they're

2698
01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:52,800
they they worry about like mass hysteria

2699
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:54,639
and things like that you know i've you

2700
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:57,440
know taken some pr classes in college

2701
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:59,360
and things like that too so i understand

2702
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:01,119
that aspect of it but

2703
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:02,960
for the most part i think that the

2704
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,239
majority of the population of the

2705
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:06,400
country is ready to hear what is going

2706
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:08,000
out there i've seen the surveys you know

2707
01:35:11,109 --> 01:35:09,600
and i know surveys can go either way but

2708
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:11,119
i've seen enough surveys i've heard

2709
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:13,199
enough comments

2710
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:14,400
before i die

2711
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:15,760
that's the only thing i really would

2712
01:35:19,990 --> 01:35:18,000
would say that i would like to know

2713
01:35:22,390 --> 01:35:20,000
you know what it is that's the only

2714
01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:22,400
deciding factor and and i think again as

2715
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:24,639
you said and we said earlier that they

2716
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:26,639
they have more information

2717
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:28,480
again maybe they they they can't say

2718
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:30,159
what it is but they they know more than

2719
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:32,320
what they have they have to have some

2720
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,679
ideas and and

2721
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:35,920
the ideas leaning in my book from what

2722
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:38,480
i've heard some some folks say

2723
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:40,239
would pretty much

2724
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:42,080
knock off russia and china from even

2725
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:43,760
being on the list of potential

2726
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:46,159
possibilities yeah and you know they

2727
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:49,040
they may have um you know that

2728
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:51,840
uh the congress i mean that group the

2729
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:53,760
the intelligence group there that they

2730
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:56,320
assembled may have been briefed on more

2731
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,280
than they're you know letting us know i

2732
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,679
fully believe that too because

2733
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:03,360
lou alexandro

2734
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:06,000
his his in my thing he's he's doing the

2735
01:36:10,149 --> 01:36:08,400
right thing by addressing it because

2736
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,159
if something can weave in and out of our

2737
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:12,800
airspace can fly between jets and

2738
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:15,119
do risky maneuvers through you know

2739
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:17,199
private jets or you know a jumbo jet

2740
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:19,679
with you know 300 passengers on it that

2741
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:22,560
is a a security and safety issue if

2742
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:24,560
nothing else for us if we're flying in a

2743
01:36:27,109 --> 01:36:25,679
plane and

2744
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:27,119
and to to

2745
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:29,600
blow it off for all these years

2746
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:30,960
again maybe they're not blowing it off

2747
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:32,080
maybe they know and have been

2748
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:33,440
investigating this they just don't want

2749
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,639
to say and there's some black ops

2750
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:36,400
program that's been trying to figure

2751
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:38,239
this out i know i heard the skunks works

2752
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:40,000
and all that kind of stuff or to the

2753
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:42,480
stars academy or whatever but

2754
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:43,360
you know

2755
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:45,280
my other thinking on this too is i

2756
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:46,480
looked into

2757
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:48,080
how would they cover this up they just

2758
01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:49,679
in my book they've turned over a lot of

2759
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:51,679
this to private industry because there's

2760
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:54,320
no there's no uh way for anybody to get

2761
01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:55,920
the information the freedom of

2762
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:57,600
information act doesn't apply to any of

2763
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:59,199
that so

2764
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:00,800
again there there could be more out

2765
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,719
there i'm skeptical they they have a lot

2766
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:04,239
i think they're really in the dark on

2767
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,000
some of it but they've got a

2768
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:08,080
preponderance of evidence to show that

2769
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:09,920
there is something there they just

2770
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:11,280
afraid to admit it because then they

2771
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:13,280
would admit that they they there's

2772
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:15,040
something flying in and out of space and

2773
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:17,440
they can't stop them

2774
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:20,960
right right uh well we had my friend

2775
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:23,199
from uh columbia south america i've been

2776
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,920
in touch with him over the years he was

2777
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:27,520
on the line but it looks like we lost

2778
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:29,760
him so uh that line is open hope

2779
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:33,199
hopefully garrett you'll call back um

2780
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:33,600
two 855

2781
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:35,199
four eight three i think he's actually

2782
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:36,480
calling from

2783
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,560
south america that's maybe why

2784
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,159
i thought you were in the states garrett

2785
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:42,560
i thought you came back but anyway the

2786
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:45,119
lines are open uh feel free to call

2787
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:47,199
and uh we'd love to would love to hear

2788
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:48,960
you now if you

2789
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:50,560
call back garrett i'll bring you right

2790
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:51,280
up

2791
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:52,560
um

2792
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:53,360
so

2793
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,040
interrupt the interview with the call

2794
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:59,760
but no we want your calls so please do

2795
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:01,920
please do uh call in it's always the

2796
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:03,360
reason you know some people say why do

2797
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:05,119
you take calls it's annoying i don't

2798
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,719
think it is because i can't think of all

2799
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:09,119
the right questions to ask and uh some

2800
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,280
of the callers can really have some

2801
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:12,960
excellent questions so

2802
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:15,600
uh we're waiting for you to give a call

2803
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:16,560
um

2804
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,840
and

2805
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,760
do you think you'll uh if someone else

2806
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:21,600
asks you to talk about this do you think

2807
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,709
you know on other shows

2808
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:29,750
literally

2809
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:31,520
my life i work

2810
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:34,480
i work a lot i'm i'm getting older i've

2811
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:36,719
have uh vertical diplopia with blur in

2812
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:38,880
one eye and i've i've got some some

2813
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:41,040
issues i i'm not i don't know i don't

2814
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:43,280
know what going forward i'm more worried

2815
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:45,600
about you know making sure that you know

2816
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:47,440
if i do go blind and i or something else

2817
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:49,280
happens that i'm able to

2818
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:51,440
get the business even farther away so

2819
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:53,280
you know farther growing and stuff

2820
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:54,960
most of my time and effort goes into

2821
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:56,000
that

2822
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:57,679
as i said if you weren't an antique

2823
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:59,360
dealer i don't know you know if i would

2824
01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:01,119
have just you know

2825
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:02,800
and somebody how i know knew who you

2826
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:04,480
were so that's one of the other reasons

2827
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:06,800
but um maybe i don't know i'm not really

2828
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,480
sure on how i feel about that well i

2829
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,400
guess we'll see after this show if i

2830
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:12,560
take a lot of grief or or you do or

2831
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,800
something else i'll feel after that but

2832
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:16,400
again this wasn't

2833
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,159
i mean this this wasn't something that

2834
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,480
i'm was looking to say hey let me go

2835
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:22,400
talk about a bunch of ufos or something

2836
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:23,119
i'm

2837
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,560
you know i'd even thought about doing

2838
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,119
more videos on it but you know i'm i'm i

2839
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:28,800
don't have the time i don't i barely put

2840
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:30,400
up videos on my other channel the

2841
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:33,119
smaller channel as it is and and i've i

2842
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:34,480
don't know i i don't know i'd have to

2843
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:35,600
think about that

2844
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:38,159
yeah yeah um you know it is

2845
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:40,880
i think what's the most of course what

2846
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:43,360
the most interesting aspect of this is

2847
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:46,159
is that a lot of people were talking

2848
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,199
about

2849
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:50,080
you know 2004 this tic-tac shape

2850
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,159
uh it really hasn't

2851
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:55,280
uh and and someone i i i know mentioned

2852
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:56,800
on the little clip that i played that

2853
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,480
there are hundreds of other you know

2854
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:00,639
accounts of these i don't i'm not

2855
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,600
familiar with them but um but anyway we

2856
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,280
have uh someone on the line right now we

2857
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,600
have rob calling from pennsylvania rob

2858
01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:09,040
welcome to the show

2859
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:12,080
you're live hi thank you hi

2860
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:14,000
thanks for being on the show don how you

2861
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:16,239
doing rob um

2862
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:18,320
i just was wondering i didn't catch all

2863
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:19,360
of the show

2864
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,040
um this

2865
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:23,600
this vehicle that you saw um

2866
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,760
were you near water or was it over water

2867
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,840
where was the where was the closest body

2868
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:29,040
of water

2869
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:31,360
less than a mile away

2870
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,119
um and did anybody

2871
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:38,880
anybody that um

2872
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:40,960
you were with uh

2873
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:43,920
were any of them unable to see it

2874
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:45,760
no we both there's just two of us and we

2875
01:40:50,149 --> 01:40:48,320
both saw it my friend is the one who

2876
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:50,159
got my attention i didn't see it until

2877
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,000
he tapped me and kept bugging me on it i

2878
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:53,920
mean i was literally crouched out on my

2879
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:54,800
knees

2880
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:56,239
when when he first saw it i don't even

2881
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:58,080
know where he was and you know until he

2882
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,920
came up to me because when you're out

2883
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:01,360
you're just following wherever the

2884
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:03,199
detector goes i wasn't like worrying

2885
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:05,920
about him i was worried about signals so

2886
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:08,480
he saw we both saw the exact same thing

2887
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:15,510
very good okay that is actually a good

2888
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,719
question because people have said i've

2889
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:20,960
seen different things it's bizarre you

2890
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:28,790
anyway uh but you have something else

2891
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,400
rob

2892
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:32,639
no that's everything thank you

2893
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:35,520
all right thanks so uh the line is open

2894
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,000
and uh uh garrett just wrote me through

2895
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:40,239
a text saying uh he just wanted to say

2896
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,239
hi

2897
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,400
but uh he and uh maybe he'll call in

2898
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:46,639
next week but um

2899
01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:48,639
so anyway going back to what i was

2900
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:50,000
saying

2901
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:52,080
uh you have an account

2902
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:53,840
uh much earlier

2903
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,719
than in the social case that was more of

2904
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:58,880
an egg shape but you have something that

2905
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:01,760
looked exactly like um david fravor and

2906
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:03,840
alex dietrich and the other ones that

2907
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:05,520
saw and people have

2908
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,480
actually uh saw it um from a distance on

2909
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:10,800
the ship they have these you know very

2910
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:13,440
high power binoculars and some people

2911
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,280
there were a few witnesses that saw it

2912
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,600
that way too there were several of them

2913
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:20,080
well might i say one more thing my other

2914
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,400
assumption too from a distance it was

2915
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:24,480
just i'm just looking at the head-on of

2916
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:26,560
this thing so it's just some little ball

2917
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:28,960
bouncing around from a distance so

2918
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:30,560
maybe a bunch of people seen it and they

2919
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:32,560
don't realize that it's not just some

2920
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:34,960
little ball bouncing around in the sky

2921
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:36,960
that would be my other thought on that

2922
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:39,119
maybe they come in different sizes too

2923
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:41,199
who knows i mean if they can make one

2924
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:42,639
they can make you know probably a whole

2925
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:45,040
bunch of would be my thought yeah yeah

2926
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:47,360
and um you know at one time kevin day

2927
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:48,880
was saying these things were raining

2928
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:49,920
down

2929
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:52,480
you know he he didn't even want to guess

2930
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,920
how many there were we have another

2931
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:54,880
caller

2932
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:57,280
greg is on the line from north carolina

2933
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:00,480
greg welcome to the show you're live

2934
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,600
hi martin hi hi don how are you doing

2935
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:05,040
are you

2936
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:07,920
good um yeah i had a um

2937
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:10,880
just a comment or a little bit of a

2938
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:12,480
story if you can entertain me here for a

2939
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:13,440
second

2940
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:14,880
um but

2941
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:15,679
the

2942
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,560
uh

2943
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:18,800
one of the websites that was associated

2944
01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:20,320
with your

2945
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:30,149
recordings yes national ufo reporting

2946
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:30,960
center

2947
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,880
um i happen to be listening to some of

2948
01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:35,360
those and i listened to one today

2949
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:39,920
and it was from i think 1976

2950
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:42,080
and it was a helicopter pilot who had

2951
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,280
called in

2952
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:45,360
and there were there were four

2953
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:48,159
four pilots actually on this helicopter

2954
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:52,320
and it had a um an object that came

2955
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:55,920
at them and then circled around them

2956
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:58,080
and

2957
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:01,119
they described it as egg shaped

2958
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:04,239
and it was about 10 feet

2959
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:05,360
long

2960
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:08,480
and about four feet wide

2961
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:11,199
and uh it sounded very similar to the

2962
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:13,679
the tic tac or the one that

2963
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:15,760
uh don use saw

2964
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:18,639
and i this is from 1976

2965
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:21,280
and what this object did was

2966
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:23,280
circle the um

2967
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,080
the helicopter while it was flying and

2968
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,320
it came within like 50 feet of it

2969
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:30,880
um the one pilot said he he finally

2970
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:32,320
opened the door so he could get a better

2971
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:33,440
look at it

2972
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:35,679
but when you describe it it just sounded

2973
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:38,239
like this this kind of tic tac you are

2974
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:40,239
you are you talking about the coin

2975
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:41,280
incident

2976
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:43,040
does that ring a bell

2977
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:44,639
a big that was actually

2978
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:46,719
about 33

2979
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:50,400
and that was over uh ohio i believe uh

2980
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:51,440
um

2981
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,239
i can't remember exactly where that was

2982
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:56,320
yeah that does ring about i don't think

2983
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:57,840
this was the same one because i think

2984
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:00,000
this was out on the west coast

2985
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:03,040
and uh the recordings are from

2986
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:07,280
uh i think 75 76 and 77

2987
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:09,760
and the fella said he just

2988
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:11,679
they just returned

2989
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:14,239
to the airport and he called it in

2990
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:16,480
yeah so i believe it happened

2991
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:18,000
yeah no i i believe you're probably

2992
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:19,440
right i just have not heard of that one

2993
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:22,400
the coin incident in particular was

2994
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:24,800
drawn up toward the object they went to

2995
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:27,040
a really high altitude all of a sudden

2996
01:45:30,709 --> 01:45:28,800
uh where they were in panic mode

2997
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:30,719
wondering what to do right yeah and no

2998
01:45:34,550 --> 01:45:32,639
one yeah then we talked about opening a

2999
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:34,560
door

3000
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:36,480
yeah no no no this uh

3001
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:38,239
this didn't happen the object just came

3002
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:39,360
around them

3003
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:40,800
didn't

3004
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:42,880
i'm sorry

3005
01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:45,679
um yeah go ahead

3006
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:47,119
yeah um

3007
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:49,679
so uh but yeah i just wanted to relay

3008
01:45:54,310 --> 01:45:52,239
that story because it kind of relates to

3009
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:54,320
that um what you're talking about today

3010
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:56,880
but um then i just wanted

3011
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:58,960
to see if don would

3012
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:01,199
maybe speculate or explain a little

3013
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:02,480
further about

3014
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:04,719
when you first saw the object and the

3015
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,119
way it was bouncing around

3016
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,440
and it i think don you mentioned that it

3017
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:11,280
looked like it maybe it was contained in

3018
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,800
some way

3019
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:14,800
yeah i would definitely say it it didn't

3020
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:15,760
go

3021
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:17,520
farther to the right or farther than the

3022
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:20,239
left than like a small little area it

3023
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:22,159
was literally stuck in there but it was

3024
01:46:27,910 --> 01:46:25,600
freely moving just almost randomly in

3025
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:27,920
that section there like it was skipping

3026
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:30,480
on something is uh what i would relate

3027
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:31,360
it to

3028
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:37,040
to uh um i guess it's a parachute test

3029
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:38,880
tube or something you'd call it and

3030
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:40,560
that's literally what it reminded me of

3031
01:46:42,470 --> 01:46:41,840
right after i thought about it because

3032
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:42,480
it

3033
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:50,639
fan the fan whatever they're called and

3034
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:52,719
that's what it did like a skipping stone

3035
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:54,239
like

3036
01:47:01,830 --> 01:47:00,080
matter underneath it and it was holding

3037
01:47:03,510 --> 01:47:01,840
it up it kind of reminded me of i know

3038
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:03,520
it probably wasn't but that's like

3039
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:05,199
there's a cushion of air under it almost

3040
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:07,280
i guess would be the point right didn't

3041
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:09,520
have like a trajectory or anything like

3042
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:11,600
that it was just

3043
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:13,440
all over the place

3044
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:16,000
well greg hey thanks for the call

3045
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:18,560
oh yeah sure sure thank you all right

3046
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:19,840
take care

3047
01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:22,719
next we have rob calling from the same

3048
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:24,560
state from florida rob welcome to the

3049
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:26,719
show you're live

3050
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:29,040
good evening martin uh rob from florida

3051
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,880
but rob's in nashville and i changed

3052
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:32,639
time zones i missed

3053
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:35,520
the opening of the show but don thank

3054
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:37,199
you for bringing your account forward

3055
01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:39,360
and i i missed the part where in the

3056
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:41,199
panhandle where you were and the second

3057
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:42,880
part of my question is

3058
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:45,119
did you feel any kind of tingling

3059
01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:47,280
psychological sex i apologize if you

3060
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:49,280
went over that over

3061
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:52,639
uh it was like six miles south of saint

3062
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:55,440
mark's which is a historical place it's

3063
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:58,800
been there since i think like 1690 or so

3064
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:00,080
i didn't feel anything or anything there

3065
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:02,560
was no sense tingling or nothing else i

3066
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:04,639
mean my my hair may have stood up for a

3067
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:07,119
moment possibly i don't know um that's

3068
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:09,840
possible because i was totally

3069
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:10,800
um

3070
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,040
i don't know in awe or

3071
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:15,679
or lost for thought on on what could

3072
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:18,719
possibly be up there i mean it it defied

3073
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:20,400
my my

3074
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:22,239
my understanding of what could happen i

3075
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:24,239
guess at that point it like

3076
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:25,600
somebody opened a door and showed me

3077
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:27,040
something i shouldn't see or something

3078
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,390
and you say you're about a mile away

3079
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:36,239
uh when we first saw it yes it was

3080
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,320
probably a mile maybe less i mean i

3081
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:40,080
can't say for sure i mean all you can

3082
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:42,639
see is the woods you know the

3083
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:44,880
trees going on forever you know so i

3084
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,960
couldn't tell it was up above all that

3085
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:48,880
so and it's off in a distance

3086
01:48:52,470 --> 01:48:50,560
i guess maybe a mile or less i don't

3087
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:52,480
know

3088
01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:54,320
if it's close i can judge the distance

3089
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:58,550
sure

3090
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:00,719
yeah well paid pay no attention to the

3091
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:03,040
critics and uh again thanks for bringing

3092
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:05,040
it forward and uh good show martin

3093
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:07,440
always always a pleasure all right hey

3094
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,960
thank you for your call

3095
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:10,960
and uh we we only have about uh five

3096
01:49:14,950 --> 01:49:13,599
minutes or so left here so probably i

3097
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,960
mean if someone wants to call real

3098
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:16,960
quickly we can fit you in but other than

3099
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,560
that we're going to to move on um chase

3100
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,880
i had a question just a second ago

3101
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,800
um that

3102
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:26,000
it was about

3103
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:29,440
um the object itself did you think that

3104
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:30,400
and

3105
01:49:33,589 --> 01:49:31,760
you know i did ask you already if you

3106
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:33,599
thought it was under intelligent control

3107
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:35,520
you mentioned that you

3108
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:38,080
could not figure out a way that anything

3109
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:40,840
could get inside there was no seams or

3110
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:44,480
audio but um yeah but i also i've heard

3111
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:45,760
people talk about these things and all

3112
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:47,679
of a sudden something opens with no seam

3113
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:49,760
it just plain opens but like like the

3114
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:51,440
appendages on the bottom that's why i

3115
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:53,280
say i don't

3116
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,960
i don't remember seeing him when i first

3117
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,560
saw it pop up there but when it turned

3118
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:58,800
to take off or move or disappear that's

3119
01:50:02,470 --> 01:50:00,880
when i saw i mean

3120
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:02,480
if if they weren't there at first they

3121
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:05,280
appeared from you know

3122
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:06,800
nowhere i guess you would say because i

3123
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,000
didn't you know i didn't see any

3124
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:10,000
openings before it you know maybe they

3125
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,760
were there the whole time and i was just

3126
01:50:15,589 --> 01:50:13,440
spaced with what was going on i don't

3127
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,599
know but i don't think they were i think

3128
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:17,920
they weren't there when it first got

3129
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,159
there is is what i'm thinking again i i

3130
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:22,880
can't it was it was just a

3131
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,760
10 15 maybe 20 seconds worth of the view

3132
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:27,119
of it and the first

3133
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,800
few seconds was just me trying to

3134
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:30,400
comprehend what was there and then i'm

3135
01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:32,080
like wait a minute this is it's right

3136
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:34,239
here and it's it's solid it's not what i

3137
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,920
thought it was because it was we were

3138
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:37,360
looking at a ball bouncing around and

3139
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,719
what what's right here in front of me

3140
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:39,920
isn't a ball

3141
01:50:43,750 --> 01:50:42,080
you know that that was i guess puzzling

3142
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:43,760
on top of it because it wasn't what i

3143
01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:45,840
thought it was it wasn't some little orb

3144
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:49,840
thing it was yeah a 25 or 30 foot thing

3145
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:51,440
sitting up there that didn't match what

3146
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:53,440
i thought it was and on top of the the

3147
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:56,719
lack of sound and no propulsion

3148
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:58,480
i i think the weirdest thing is is

3149
01:51:01,990 --> 01:51:00,560
something sitting in midair that that's

3150
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:02,000
not

3151
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,920
moving with anything i mean

3152
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:05,440
nothing's fine

3153
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:06,639
a helicopter

3154
01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:12,480
bit you know it's not 100 this thing was

3155
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:14,800
was like it was totally frozen in mid

3156
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:17,520
mid movement it was just sitting there

3157
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:19,760
not moving i was like a a mounted

3158
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:22,560
stationary object it just didn't

3159
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:24,000
you know i don't know how to say it

3160
01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:26,080
other than that it it it wasn't moving

3161
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:28,719
at all not even a millimeter it was just

3162
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:31,920
there in one single spot i don't know

3163
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:34,239
how you say that because when i had my

3164
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:36,480
ufo sighting which was not anywhere near

3165
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:39,199
dramatic azures but that that really

3166
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:41,040
puzzled me too because when it stopped

3167
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,280
it like stopped and there was like no

3168
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:45,520
movement at all it just plain stopped

3169
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,560
uh before it started again we have one

3170
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:50,639
more caller chad is calling from

3171
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:53,040
kentucky welcome to the show chad you're

3172
01:52:03,430 --> 01:51:58,790
chad

3173
01:52:06,709 --> 01:52:04,790
you are there

3174
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:06,719
chad from the basement hang out uh

3175
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:07,520
thanks

3176
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:09,920
oh chad hey i did give you a shout out i

3177
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:17,510
uh chad are you there

3178
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:19,360
now this is someone that has uh their

3179
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:22,080
own show their their podcast i was on

3180
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:22,800
youtube

3181
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:29,669
there's been an interesting uh

3182
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:33,520
with cad clark where she thought that

3183
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:36,800
it was actually potentially organic

3184
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:39,520
um chad are you on speakerphone

3185
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:41,440
what you experienced was actually

3186
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:47,589
all right go ahead

3187
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:49,360
do i think it was organic

3188
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:53,750
i have to think it's mechanical

3189
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,599
truthfully but that's that's just my

3190
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:57,280
thought on it only

3191
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:58,400
yes

3192
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:00,560
just by the shape alone i guess i i

3193
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:03,599
would say and and movement and the fact

3194
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,560
that

3195
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:06,400
it could just freeze there i i just it

3196
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:08,560
just seems to me that it's it's a it's a

3197
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:10,080
vehicle

3198
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,760
again i've heard them describe it as a

3199
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:13,360
drone in fact there was a report on the

3200
01:53:17,109 --> 01:53:15,040
news the other day about some helicopter

3201
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:17,119
chasing some drone that could stay in

3202
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:18,639
air for some horrendous amount of time

3203
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:21,040
and it sounded just like a ufo report

3204
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,400
but um

3205
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:24,560
i have to think it was it wasn't you

3206
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:27,119
know organic at all truthfully i i

3207
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:28,480
didn't even think of that option

3208
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,040
truthfully it just instantly struck me

3209
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:33,360
as a vehicle

3210
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:34,560
yeah

3211
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:40,950
and i did i did give a shout out i told

3212
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:42,719
people to listen to the podcast so

3213
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:44,639
anyway thanks for the call chat and you

3214
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:47,520
know that is not that is not an unusual

3215
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:48,880
question um

3216
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:50,400
for the fact that

3217
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:51,599
some people

3218
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,599
have had the feeling that these things

3219
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:56,400
are organic and living which is totally

3220
01:54:01,510 --> 01:53:59,199
bizarre i i know it's it's hard to even

3221
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:01,520
comprehend but there's so many mysteries

3222
01:54:05,109 --> 01:54:04,239
to the story anyway to begin with

3223
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:05,119
um

3224
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:06,880
i wouldn't rule it out but you know from

3225
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:10,080
my personal feeling i i think it was

3226
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,560
manned of some sort that would be or

3227
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:14,639
operated a vehicle it wasn't like a

3228
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:17,280
thing in itself was my personal opinion

3229
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:18,880
yeah again i could be wrong i don't i

3230
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:20,639
don't know i have no answer on that one

3231
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:22,560
honestly no one's ever even brought that

3232
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,880
up so that's that's an interesting one

3233
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:26,880
all right well don you've been uh you've

3234
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:29,040
been great it's really an amazing

3235
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:31,840
account and i do thank you for uh for

3236
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:33,679
for coming forward and talking about it

3237
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:36,239
very interesting thanks so much thank

3238
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:38,800
you for having me on all right okay you

3239
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:41,199
take care

3240
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:42,960
all right everyone so we will be back

3241
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:44,320
next week we have my friend mark

3242
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:47,119
d'antonio who will also be in pine bush

3243
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,880
and we have ted rowe from narcap uh it

3244
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:52,480
should be a great show next week and i

3245
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:53,920
hope to see you there

3246
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:54,960
and

3247
01:54:59,589 --> 01:54:57,440
also um

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i think that's i think that it seems

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like there was one more thing to talk

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about but i think i do want to just say

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